Some disgustingly simple "free energy devices"

RainmanTime

RainmanTime

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Some disgustingly simple \"free energy devices\"

Nature literally bombards us with her "free energy" in more ways than one. Future technologies will be able to harness some of the energy available in:

1) Lightning strikes.
2) Tornados.
3) Hurricanes/Typhoons.

These sources of power, freely offered by Nature, are ready and waiting to be tapped. And these things make our current solar and wind turbine generators look like blips on the radar screen in comparision!

As an aerodynamics guy, I have often thought about how one might be able to devise and build "tornadic (strange) attractors" that could be used in tornado alley of the US. It would serve two purposes: 1) to attract the tornado to a given spot, away from population, and 2) to harness some of the tornado's energy until such time as it could dissipate the tornado's organized, chaotic pressure disturbance.

Whaddya think? Anyone?????
RainmanTime
 
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Hi Rainman Time,

Of your three prospects *please forgive y typing here, becayserfffffffffffffff, my ever-loveable kitty, Monalisa, has decided sitting on my lap and jumping on the keys is her domain at the moment.

There, now she has jumped down. Dear sweet Monalisa.

Of your three prospects, the one that catches my eye is TORNADOES.

Living in Iowa. I have seen the desctruction 1st hand, and have been close enough to actually "HEAR" the power of such a natural force.

Never-the-less, even with technological advances in doplar radar, it is a probability game to know when and where a tornado will strike. And, it is weird that maybe the most powerful tornadoes do not cause the same destruction as lesser powerful ones. Width and duration seem to be factors in human terms of destructiveness, not neccesarily power.

Setting that all aside, what if there were a millenial old tornado on another planet. One that sustained itself beyond human years. That would be the key to possibly tapping into the power generated by this atmosphereic phenoma.

On earth, predicting tornadoes is tantamount to predictiing forrest fires (See an excellent scientific book ebtitled "Ubiquity". (I know that I have mentioned this book beore, but in your field, Rainman Time, you really might find this very applicable to your field of research, believe me.}

But, if there were a millenial tornado upon the surface of another planet that was somewhat stationary, one really seriously might imagine that a sort of "power plant" could be put in place to derive energy from this relatively permanent atmospheric phemonenon.

I envision spiking the enclave of whirling debris with some kind of marker, and then having a detector, that can toggle it's switch each time the "spiked material" passes by. Somewhat like a watermill, but instead of putting the shutters directly into the force of matter (in this case water), there would be a detection arm picking up the "spiked" element in the whirling, each detection, clicking forward, creating a constant momentum and evergy source?

What do you think?


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Lighning rod, we just need some way to controll and store the incoming surge of energy... that's the hard part.
 
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Why not tap into the energy of the earth? Gravity wave generators, or how about generating electricity by tapping some of a cars energy while its traveling our busy streets and highways ??
 
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Hi Ken,

Why not tap into the energy of the earth? Gravity wave generators, or how about generating electricity by tapping some of a cars energy while its traveling our busy streets and highways ??
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean by some of these, as there are existing technologies that accomplish what you are inferring...but maybe not what you would think of.

For example: I'm not sure what you mean by "gravity wave generators", but are you aware that the primary premise of hydroelectric power plants is to utilize gravity effect on falling water to turn a turbine? Another example is that a car's alternator/regulator captures some of the energy of the engine's motion and converts it to electricity to power vehicle components, as well as keep the battery charged. Perhaps you were thinking of somehow delivering excess alternator energy from the vehicle to the main power grid? If so, how would you trasnfer this energy? Wires are not practical, and any kind of wireless power transmission would probably have large losses associated with it such that it would be impractical. Along similar, but more practical lines: I often wondered how much power a gym could place onto the power grid if all of the cardio machines (stationay bikes, tradmills, rowing machines, etc.) were hooked-up to power outlets to generate power rather than consume it.

In any event, while your suggestions sound good, they are fairly "small potatoes" amounts of energy when compared with natural phenomenon like lightning, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. But thanks for sharing your thoughts! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Kind Regards,
RainmanTime
 
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How about a early detection upper atmosphere satellite armed with EM rays to detect and break up calculated disturbances? Or perhaps in connection/combination to a Earth ground based unit?

Though this might interfere with many receptional things including safety regulations? I'm sure there are strategic ways around it...

To bad though, I don't think its high priority on the governments funding agenda, their money is spent unwisely on other things...
 
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Several physics departments in Universities study "Weather modification". Making it rain/snow with silver oxide is old hat, and apparently the big thing at the moment is being able to move hurricanes around. Unfortunately, it apparently requires massive electrical charges to create the effect, so it may not be particularly efficient. I shall dig around and see what I can find out.
 
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The earth generates energy, people generate energey, microwaves from the sun pretty much are energy.

Is it possible to create a giant energy magnet?

if someone were to standi n the middle of that tey would slowly be turned into energy/light right?

If someone were to live through that, well, moreso their concience and mind, they would be like a superbeing... cool.
 
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hi

why not put wind generators on the top of all trains and an extra rail to take of the power generated as they travel from here to there.
simple and effective .drag could be made negligible by using vortex vanes .

solicraft
 
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For reference of free power sources, also look to basic electricity, such as the principles of induction.

Also view science fiction, the Alien series of movies at link http://www.foxhome.com/alienlegacy/index_frames.html

Please note pole mounts on their space crafts within one and two of the aliens series?

Although this would not be ethical induction from the air, in space the same principle might apply, if indeed these were static force induction staffs?

Saying for today concerning the Chronohistorian threads>These series of time travelers from the future, seem to be programmed units.I have no idea what is going on or meant by these threads?
 
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Perse, you aren't one of those folks the newspeople ask what the tornado sounded like, are you?

Can no one come up with a means of splitting a water molecule into its component parts in a way that uses less energy than you'd get from the splitting of the molecule? I've had thoughts, but it requires a vacuum, which would take a lot of energy to both establish and maintain. Yes, there is the near vacuum of space, but how do you get water outside the atmosphere in an energy efficient manner? Ther has to be a simple soultion that no one is seeing because we are looking at the problem from the wrong perspective.
 
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Continual dialog on autos, not continued, at this point.//break, reinstall
 
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I really don't see any practical uses on anything that was discussed here. So let me break it down.

We can slow down/disappate hurricanes with a specific kind of salt/powder, dispersed on the ocean in front of a hurricane it stops the flow of Evaporation rendering the hurricane effectively dead.

Tornadoes are very unpredictable. I believe it would require a Ton of energy to put anything into place to reap any rewards off the power of a tornado in the wild. However making a tornado in a laboratory and harnessing its wind power would only gives us diminishing returns.

Lightning, we can create this in the lab, and also in the wild. Rockets flown to a few thousand feet with small copper wires strung behind them generate electrical release (lightning). However harnessing lightning has proven difficult. You get 100 million volts in a Tenth of a second, its almost impossible to Store that kind of electricity all at once.

I think we forgot a couple though. First of all deep current waves under the ocean are very powerful and could be used with basically giant windmills underwater to create large current at almost no cost.

Secondly and probably most important, we are forgetting Solar Power. I have heard they recently created thin film/rubber type solar cells which are cheap to produce, not very efficient, but will eventually be woven into existing products such as cell phones and portable electronic devices. We need to increase the efficiency of solar cells.

I believe there is a research project in New Mexico (not sure where it is for sure) that harnesses the power/heat of the sun with hundreds of Mirrors which all adjust to reflect the sunlight onto one spot. This is interesting and could possibly be used in some form of Non-nuclear reactor to generate steam and produce electricity.

Nasa has tried to dangle 20 mile long wires through the earths atmosphere to generate electrical current, it apparently worked before it broke off and fizzled in the atmosphere.

I still believe Hydrogen fuel cells and eventually Cold Fusion will be the answer to all our problems. We've only got 20-40 years of cheap light sweet crude after that a lot of things will change dramatically if we don't have another source of energy.
 
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