So Why Didn't Titor Tell Us About This?

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So Why Didn\'t Titor Tell Us About This?

Things in Cern go from funny to outright comical.

LHC to shut down for a year to address design faults

Don't tell me! John Titor's presence had such a drastic impact on our timeline, that it caused the LHC designers to screw-up their design analysis even before Titor arrived on the scene! Yeah, dat's da ticket!

<font color="red"> "The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) must close at the end of 2011 for up to a year to address design issues, according to an LHC director.

Dr Steve Myers told BBC News the faults will delay the machine reaching its full potential for two years. " [/COLOR]

Just a few more months down the road, eh Boomer? :D

<font color="red"> Dr Myers said: "It's something that, with a lot more resources and with a lot more manpower and quality control, possibly could have been avoided but I have difficulty in thinking that this is something that was a design error." [/COLOR]

Yeah....sure!
RMT
 
Re: So Why Didn\'t Titor Tell Us About This?

Just a few more months down the road, eh Boomer?
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Yeppers. You be correct. So we're now looking at a 2011 start-up...at which time Little Johnnie Titor is supposed to be running around the swamps in Central Florida with his shotgun militia.

If they do start up in 2011 and complete the shakedown trials by the end of the year they have to cycle their proton particles for several weeks to run them up and get the beam focused for the collisions. The difficulty in focusing the beam is a function of the square of the increase in energy, meaning that if the do a trial run and half power and focus the beam the difficulty is four times as great in doing the same if they double the power (full power test). If they are successful with the test it will be about four years before they can analyze the test results and publish them. We are looking at about 2015 before we get any useful ecperimental data from LHC.

No problem. We can get results based on several dozen particle collisions by 2015, solve each and every technical, theoretical and engineering problem and invent a workling time machine by 2034, install it in a Covrvette and have time travelers flitting about the multiverse two years later. Easy as pie...r squared. It only takes the electrical energy output of a small city of 40,000 people for CERN to do each experiment at the LHC.

Seriously, Ray, it really is too bad that CERN is having such problems. There is a lot of theoretical physics that can be accomplished at the facility that...and few people realize...is funded in a great part by US, not European, tax payers. We have many billions of dollars invested in the LHC. The Super Collider monies were transferred to CERN's LHC because the project was good but the House of Representatives didn't want all of that money spent in Texas...so they decided to spend it in Europe instead. The theoretical and engineering problems of getting the damned thing to work as designed are almost as daunting as the physics that they are attempting to explore.

I think that, unfortunately, the Super Stringers are going to have a surpise from CERN. The surprise will be called "A Dead End" or alternatively "The Standard Model Is The Right Road".
 
Re: So Why Didn\'t Titor Tell Us About This?

Quick question: The LHC is supposed to accelerate protons, right? How do they get single protons to accelerate, since hydrogen bonds to other hydrogen atoms to form H2? Just heat it up a whole lot or what? :oops:
 
Re: So Why Didn\'t Titor Tell Us About This?

IN a front end building, electrons are stripped from hydrogen ions then shot into a vacuum tube. Once in the tube, they accelerate and steer them via large electro magnets that get so hot, they have to cool them with constantly flowing liquid nitrogen. Then after they start zinging real fast, they go through a series of beam dumps which strip off the straggler protons that are not inline and coherent. Then they build up the coherent beam and proton speeds in a ring, steering around bends with magnetic fields. At the end of the line, they steer the proton beam into a large vat of heavy metal which has the best chance of having nucleus matter collide with proton beam. The resultant micro explosion creates a multitude of sub-atomic particles that are measured and captured from every angle spherically around the target. Thats basically it for most particle accelerators.
 
Re: So Why Didn\'t Titor Tell Us About This?

Quick question: The LHC is supposed to accelerate protons, right? How do they get single protons to accelerate, since hydrogen bonds to other hydrogen atoms to form H2? Just heat it up a whole lot or what?
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An H2 molecule requires two electrons. The protons in the accelerator are ionized...no electrons. The only thing that would occur is a positive-positive repulsion. No H2.
 
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