Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S

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The professor says he's convinced that people are taking his theory more seriously. People like him have forecast similar cataclysms before, he says, and been right. He cites French political scientist Emmanuel Todd. Mr. Todd is famous for having rightly forecast the demise of the Soviet Union -- 15 years beforehand. "When he forecast the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976, people laughed at him,


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Or Probably the Nine Nations of North America, written in 1981 by Joel Garreau is more accurate?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Nations_of_North_America


Well see if this educated prediction becomes a reality or not.
 
Anyone who knows their history well knows that nations rise and nations fall. America is no different and that is not the Armageddon stuff it is just true. Strong nations whether dictatorships, democratic, or communist get comfortable with their power and start making mistakes. America is in its comfort zone while other nations are trying to be more self responsible and aggressive about their power and growth as a nation. Could this also mean more world wars in the far future. You bet. We may be smart but we are still animals at heart. As far as the south don,t forget the song "A country boy can survive". It is true.
 
We may be smart but we are still animals at heart.
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that is very, very true. most people live their whole lives and never realize that.


As far as the south don,t forget the song "A country boy can survive". It is true.
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thats true to a certain extent. i live in mississippi, so im pretty well qualified to be a country boy, but most people in the south wouldnt know what to do if something happened. the south is a lot different than it used to be.
 
Well I've watched this forum for years but never had the guts to post, but this seemed like a good place to jump in and share my thoughts (with minds like Ray and Darby, among others, it can be a bit intimidating here!). I saw this article on Drudge today and it gave me a good laugh. I live in Alaska and happen to know that Russia retaking Alaska would be over every Alaskan's cold dead shotgun weilding hands, as I'm sure most if not all of the country would be before subjugating to another country's direct rule or even indirect authority (though Alaskans are especially attacted to their guns and many of us practically have armories). Honestly, I think this map is even less realistic than Titor's predictions (and no, I don't think Titor was for real). And over 45-55% chance the US will break up within (presumedly) a couple years? I'd bet some serious money that isn't happening. The little bit of truth here is that the southwest is under a certain amount of Mexican-Latin influence for obvious reasons and that should keep growing under the new administration. And, of course, we are all under some Chinese influence due to the massive production outsourcing and trade deficits. As far as the other "nine nations" map, the only areas that look even remotely realistic in terms of sectioning are perhaps "mexiamerica" and quebec's separation, though I have no idea how he conjures up this huge "empty quarter." Nations rise and nations fall, but not like this, and not so soon for us. Only other thing I'm wondering is...why is this in the time travel claims section?
 
Only other thing I'm wondering is...why is this in the time travel claims section?
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This happens a lot around here. I guess cause this is a prediction of the future. This place is big on predictions and, because I guess there is very little time travel going on here.
 
thats true to a certain extent. i live in mississippi, so im pretty well qualified to be a country boy, but most people in the south wouldnt know what to do if something happened. the south is a lot different than it used to be.
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I am not far from you. I live in Little Rock, Ar. Most of the people here would not survive a collapse of the grid, transportation, and the economy. They would be eating each other in a matter of weeks. Now out in the country I know people here and there that would be just fine. They grow there own food anyway. Don,t go to town much. Burn wood for energy. Water would be their main concern. They would be ok.
 
live in Alaska and happen to know that Russia retaking Alaska would be over every Alaskan's cold dead shotgun weilding hands, as I'm sure most if not all of the country would be before subjugating to another country's direct rule or even indirect authority (though Alaskans are especially attacted to their guns and many of us practically have armories).
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Just wait for the first month an the second week of 2009...For a political International Solution

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Just wait for the first month an the second week of 2009...For a political International Solution

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Here goes recall, yet again, with his vague predictions for the near future. Rest assured that, just like all the rest, the designated TIME will come and go and nothing close to what recall "predicts" will have occurred.

Second week in January 2009, right recall? Just want to be clear on the TIME you are pointing to, so we can all have (another) laugh when it passes unnoticed.

RMT
 
As a kid, I used to go to these "Gamathon Conventions", yes I was somewhat dorky- and turned out to be a drug addled punk later, but anyway on to my story...


I rememebr more than a few games, that were based around the "Gulf Coast States" creating a separate "Union", because they controlled all the oil in the country.

"Oil Wars"
"Division America"

and so-on....

Even you have to admit, the only reason they place stories like this in the media(any of you) is to garner public suuport, either for or against.

When I was seeing this stuff was back in , hell-----1984??????

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I feel old now , thanks ALOT!

Darby must feel like Dirt already,, One foot in the grave... :D
 
because they controlled all the oil in the country.
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Just add in the real world that these are part of the Natural resources...
and who wants to control that? -state by state-

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I don,t want to be a doom and gloom guy but there is something to that Russian prediction that the USA will break up. Look at our national debt, look at our trade deficit, look at all the jobs going over seas. Now look at this. The USA is a big country. Without the money to defend it with a military and with certain parts of it wanting to break off the south is or was one of them. What would a weak national government do? Nothing it could do. All it takes for this to happen is the federal government weakens beyond its ability to maintain a large country. That is all that needs to happen. With other nations getting stronger and the United States of America getting weaker it is a real possibility. Lets say our currency does collapse and the military does not have enough cash to defend us coast to coast. We break up because individually we are stronger than the whole and or certain states start realizing nothing is going to happen with succession. The south did it once. Alaska might become their own country they are passionate about their independence and they have the natural resources to finance themselves as a country and more so with global warming because now the ice melts and they can get to the oil not far from them. Our government had better start rethinking its policies or this could become a reality. And this problem gets worse because we have nuclear bombs. Now the states and militia's fight over control of nuclear weapons. Yep, print and spend and let everyone live the good life and ignore our countries decline due to our federal policies and lack of judgement. That is the smart thing to do.
 
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because they are disorganized. racist people are usually idiots.
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not that everybody in the south's a racist, but there's a lot of organization in the south, washington dc is in the south, nasa's in the south.


the north now they wouldn't make it with out us.


but i was half way joking anyway
 
I don,t want to be a doom and gloom guy but there is something to that Russian prediction that the USA will break up. Look at our national debt, look at our trade deficit, look at all the jobs going over seas. Now look at this. The USA is a big country.
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looks like this russian guy doesn't believe obama's the messiah either. I'm not alone *sigh
 
The debts and deficits are concerning for sure, but I think you underestimate the determination and strength of the American people and its government (however misguided much of it is). I'm young, I'm not going to pretend to an expert on anything - and obviously by that admission I have not lived consciously through any but the more recent threats and disasters America has faced. Barring a disaster of epic proportions (like nuclear war or some natural like the civilized world has never seen) I find it hard to believe any part of the United States would become, nor believe itself by matter of majority to be "stronger than the whole." As far as the possibility of some regions/states believing nothing of large consequence would happen by what I assume you meant "secession", this also seems like something many decades if not centuries away barring some unforeseen incredible physical disaster. As far as I know the only state that even occasionally makes news about secession is Vermont, and even their the line of thought is limited to an insignificant minority, no? And of course a currency collapse (should it happen) in itself would reverberate throughout the world like a gong, which makes me wonder also why such a thing would cause a want in the U.S. to break up when almost everyone else is also suffering either by their own currency ties to the dollar or the sudden cease of our country from laying the "golden eggs" per se for a country like China. As far as here in Alaska, I can't speak for everyone, but there is no significant secessionist movement and considering most Alaskans' love for country and freedom combined with our strategic importance to the U.S., it seems unlikely either side would ever let the other go. I have faith, too, (and I hope it's not misplaced) that America could become at least mostly self sufficient again if the time very urgently called for it, as do I that a country that has weathered a civil war, world wars, economic depressions, racial/demographic strife, drafts, unpopular wars, disgraced leaders etc etc etc requires a supreme underestimation of her to infer that we now near the dusk of sovereignty. Of course there is much I could be wrong on, and I lack both the education and experience of many others here to aid in analyzing these issues, but I have hopes for the future and in general believe most do not give America the recognition of historical goodness, nor of the strength to endure future "history" that she rightly deserves, despite her many imperfections.
 
I highly doubt this likelihood.

Economy is one thing / war machine is another.

Look at Korea. Compare the North's economy with the South. Why doesn't the South just 'politically' absorb the North?

I have a funny feeling, that is if America's economy gets too much worse they are going to have to take a very hard look at their largest creditor - the scrupples behind their policies, and the way forward.

Perhaps we will see a day again when 90% of household plastic products will be stamped with 'made in Taiwan' ?
Didn't General Macarthur as well say something to Truman along the lines of 'fight them now or fight them in the future - you won't want to in the future'? (when he had the troops on the chinese border and Truman pulled him?)

Whatever happens in the future it shall be interesting nonetheless.

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