Questions about John Titor

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goron49

Temporal Novice
I have a few questions about John Titor...

1. John Titor says he was born in 2000, can't we track him down today and see his mother, father and his infant self?

2. He says a civil war starts in 2005... no signs of it yet, could this be false?

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1. John Titor says he was born in 2000, can't we track him down today and see his mother, father and his infant self? Ans, Nat ebonics; Naw u say ashem, e don wan, a mo, big torque say no.

2. He says a civil war starts in 2005... no signs of it yet, could this be false? Ans E say em seein.
 
I have a few questions about John Titor...

1. John Titor says he was born in 2000, can't we track him down today and see his mother, father and his infant self?

2. He says a civil war starts in 2005... no signs of it yet, could this be false?

That's all.
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1. Actually, I think he was born in 1998. I guess we could track him down if we tried hard enough, but John Titor isn't his real name.

2. No signs of it? There are plenty of signs around us... Mostly in Iraq and New Orleans. However, John did say that most of us would not realize that a war was going on until 2008-ish (I forget the exact date).
 
Mostly in Iraq
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That would not be a civil war in the US, now would it? Titor was very specific that it was a US civil war.
and New Orleans
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And that is complete BS. Would you mind describing how you've turned a natural disaster into a civil war? In fact what makes this interpretation outright funny is: In a civil war people are revolting against a government they don't agree with. In New Orleans you have seen people reaching out and WANTING HELP from a government they expect to protect them and take care of them!

RMT
 
John was born in Jan or Feb 1998.

I think 2008 civil war is BS, cuz Titor clearly wrote armed conflict started when he was 8, so they moved out of the cities.
 
It's not that the Civil War starts in Iraq, it's that there are signs in Iraq that point to Civil War in the U.S.

Also, New Orleans' effect on the United States' infrastructure is probably going to be one of the more important causes (relating to New Orleans) of the Civil War. It is not so much the fact that people want to help.
 
It's not that the Civil War starts in Iraq, it's that there are signs in Iraq that point to Civil War in the U.S.
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That's not what Titor said. He clearly tied it to the 2004 election, and was VERY clear about "Waco-type" events occurring weekly. You are talking about something different than what Titor was predicting.

Also, New Orleans' effect on the United States' infrastructure is probably going to be one of the more important causes (relating to New Orleans) of the Civil War.
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Once again you are not reflecting Titor's story. You are now making your own predictions, which have little if anything to do with Titor's story. And in my opinion, they also have little, if any, probability of occurrence, just like Titor's!

Why do you so fervently want Titor's story to be true? You go to such great lengths to try to validate that it is true that you even dispel and disagree with a lot of other things Titor wrote about.
RMT
 
You are right, I am making my own predictions, but they do go along with Titor's claims and do not "dispel or disagree" with them. I am simply making my own predictions (about the effects of the hurricanes), because these were topics that John refused to go into detail about.

About Iraq, quoting Titor:

Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election.
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I don't think it's "clear" that Iraq is linked to the 2004 elections, but I guess that it could be deduced somehow. Also, about the Waco-type events happening regularly, it doesn't have anything to do with what I've said, but I completely agree with you when you say that John clearly said it would happen. However, I think John said that it would happen monthly, not weekly.
 
Once again you're not being very objective.

History is inevitibly a matter of perspective. As many have pointed out, our view of what happened in WWII, Vietnam, is often markedly different from accounts of those who were there. Furthermore, accounts differ greatly between nations (UK and US perspectives for instance, most US citizens will proclaim that they saved the world by entering WWII while the British will be quick to point out that they kept the Germans at bay sufficiantly for the preceding years, enough so that the defence of Europe was still possible by the time the US joined the war.

Likewise, it is quite probable that in 20 years time, that a european view and a US view of the Iraq conflict will be quite different and that your knowledge and perspective will be quite different from a 27 year old who was 7 at the time of the conflict.

While these are not quantifiable parameters in any respect, they would be considered variables in any case to make a scientific (or even legal) arguement based on JT's testimony alone.

For instance, would you feel that comparing WWI and WWII or Vietnam and The Iraq War is fair? Remember, you don't have the same perspective on both wars so most of your information is second hand.

For someone who was very young (or not even born for both Waco and New Orleans) would an armed skirmish between federal forces and extremists and and armed skirmish between looters/anarchists and national guard be similar events? For someone who had scant knowledge of the politics and details of waco, people inside a refuge centre firing at a military helicopter might be comparible (I don't believe it is, but I have the advantage of perspective).

I guess my overall point is that you pick and choose how much weight and validity you place on what JT has said. You cannot claim on one hand that he is inconsistant or incorrect in his descriptions and on the otherhand follow his words to the letter as a tool to debunk him.

If you interviewed a 30 year old average military grunt about the Iraq war and also about Vietnam, I imagine you wouldn't get text book historical facts. Nor so should you imagine things would be any different in the future.

Like i said, I don't believe in JT, yet the only decent evidence against him is the laser photo. Certainly any arguement you have put forward has been merely pedantic and certainly unscientific, no matter how you wish to portray it.
 
Certainly any arguement you have put forward has been merely pedantic and certainly unscientific, no matter how you wish to portray it.
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It depends on how you see things and analyze it and how much you know about it. As always, I cannot think the same way you do. I have researched about his amazing story and it was real fun and entertaining.

But you should also know that I am affected the least if you call the arguments pedantic or make such comments to debunk it, the main reason I am solving it is, that it is really interesting to do it.

Let me give you an example:


TimeTravel_0
unregistered posted 30 December 2000 13:37
As far as evidence goes…I have however decided to try an experiment with you that may be more convincing. It involves the travel of information at faster than light. In fact, I have dropped at least three little gems like this that no one else has picked up on.
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I have his three “GEMS” here are they:


TimeTravel_0
unregistered posted 21 November 2000 10:41
For a change, I have a question for all of you. I want you to think…think very hard. What major disaster was expected and prepared for in the last year and a half that never happened?
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TimeTravel_0
unregistered posted 06 December 2000 21:36
Think back to the early days of the computer and how much work and cleverness it took to fit those programs into such small areas of memory. Has more and cheaper memory brought better programs or just more programs
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TimeTravel_0
unregistered posted 13 December 2000 12:44
(BTW Someone just gave me a working IBM 5160. Should I save it or toss it?)
Toss it. The 5100 is the interesting machine.
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IBM 5100:

"Known as Read Only Storage (ROS) and reported as being 48 kbytes per chip (but how many chips?). So, the quantity of memory is still unknown, although labyrne reports that ’it was very big. In an effort to bring the 5100 to the market quickly they actually created a ROM emulation of the IBM mainframe S/360, and then plugged in the code for BASIC and APL in the ROM. So, the 'PALM' processor actually emulated and IBM S/360, running interpreted BASIC and APL. Crude, but incredibly" effective.’ http://www.machine-room.org/computers/279/technical.html


"The IBM 5100, an early single user portable computer, also ran APL\360. They wrote an emulator for as much of the 360 instruction set as APL needed, and replaced the OS interface with code to talk to the keyboard, screen, and cartridge tape that the 5100 had. It wasn't fast, but it was real APL and was quite usable."
http://mail.vfr.net/~lynn/2004c.html


Titor: I also haven’t heard anyone take me up on my “information experiment” on the IBM 5100 or check out the information I’ve given you about the UNIX failure in 2038. With all due respect… I find it hard to take some of you seriously.
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UNIX FAILURE:

Unix Time
The Unix operating system, and many other operating systems and programming languages, keep a count of (non-leap) seconds since January 1, 1970, 00:00:00 UTC. Time before this is represented as a negative number. It is often divided into milliseconds and even microseconds. Originally the data space only allowed Unix times up to the year 2038, but newer implementations do not have this limitation. Unix times have been greater than 1,000,000,000 seconds since 2001. Unix time, by itself, does not qualify as either a date or time of day, because it neither counts days, nor repeats them, but rather is intended to be used to convert back and forth between different date/time formats
http://www.decimaltime.hynes.net/computers.html


If you have been following my interpretation and what I was saying, sure you can find this interesting. If not, go ahead and debunk it by saying the “gems” are not the ones he meant and there are a lot of gems like that and so and so and so.....

You should also notice that even in the event of you understanding the interpretation and saying it is interesting, I am not going to be rewarded for it. Or if you take the Titor stuff so seriously, I cannot help it either. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Apologies Hercules, my previous post was aimed at Rainman-Time, not at you. I must have clicked the wrong post to reply to.

I will say, with reference to your posting, that my understanding of the situation was that all that information was known at the time, although perhaps not widely known.

It is quite conceivable that JT was either well read in these matters or perhaps had insider information. But my belief is that no information he posted was original and, assuming I am correct, that is enough to discard this arguement as an indication of any validity.
 
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