Possible cause for civil war? (Just an idea)

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Crawford, Texas, gets ready for dueling rallies, Thousands coming to town for rallies, counter-rallies (CNN link)

CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) -- The one-stoplight town of 700 residents, Crawford, Texas, located near President Bush's ranch, braced for thousands of visitors Saturday, most in a cross-country caravan for a pro-Bush rally and others to support Cindy Sheehan's anti-war demonstration.

More than 3,000 people were expected at the school football stadium for the culmination of the "You don't speak for me, Cindy!" tour that started last week in California.

It would be the largest counter-protest since Sheehan started camping out off the road leading to Bush's ranch August 6.

She vowed to remain unless he talked to her about the war with Iraq that claimed the life of her son Casey and more than 1,870 other U.S. soldiers.

The pro-Bush caravan was coordinated by Move America Forward, a group led by former California Assemblyman Howard Kaloogian and Republican strategist Sal Russo.

Meanwhile, hundreds were expected at Sheehan's camp for a somber Saturday ceremony honoring soldiers in Iraq.

The protest, which has swelled from dozens on weekdays to about 1,000 the past two weekends, will end Wednesday.

Bush has said he appreciates Sheehan's right to protest and understands her anguish but will not meet with her. His vacation in Texas is to end September 2.

Sheehan and other grieving families met with Bush about two months after her son died last year, before she became a vocal opponent of the war.

Crawford hasn't seen this big a crowd since the scathing documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" was shown last summer on a screen at the football field, drawing about 3,000 people.

The screening was organized by the Crawford Peace House, which also is helping Sheehan.

Earlier that night, more than 300 Bush supporters held a rally to counter the showing of the film.
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Could this be a spark? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it ill be, but it could be.
 
You could at least give reasons why you think not. To be honest I now think a civil war is unlikely, but if it does happen I think it will be over the war in Iraq, or something arising from it.
 
Could this be a spark? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it ill be, but it could be.
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Possible? Anything is. Probable? I don't beleive so.

We have had and continue to have rallies on all sorts of topics with all levels of hostility, going all the way back to the Civil RIghts era. We have yet to find that line in the sand that will put neighbor against neighbor. Unlike the previous CW, people are more connected in their everyday lifes and work.

I believe that a Civil War would have to be something that affected all of us to the point that we're willing to fight the government over it.
 
nope.
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For once, it looks like MEM and I agree on something. But I bet we have different reasons. I agree with MEM for the simple reason that I do not see a civil war happening, nor do I see any catalysts for it. But I know what MEM thinks is going to be a trigger, and consequently I would think a natural disaster is something that would pull us together. At least that is what history has shown, and I tend to be a student of history.

I also believe that Jaxson has made some very good points about the history of debate and disagreements in our country.
RMT
 
I would think a natural disaster is something that would pull us together.
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Yes. I agree with that. But what of the case of a natural disaster that destroys the food and water source for most Americans. Would we be as helpful to others if our lives, or more importantly, the lives of our children were at stake?

I don't know the answer to that question. I'd like to say yes. But I've never been in that position so it's hard to say how one would react to such a situation.

This is one of the issues that came up that leead me to the YS interpretation. Not a prediction. Not a wish. Simply an interpretation.
 
Would we be as helpful to others if our lives, or more importantly, the lives of our children were at stake?
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Several things to consider here, IMHO:

1) With all the aid the USA has given the world in times of trouble, do you think the rest of the world hates us SO much that NO ONE would come to our aid?
2) If you do think the rest of the world will yawn, and say "the USA can take care of itself", what do you think OUR response will be to giving aid to ANY country that does not help us in a time of need?
3) Even if no one else came to our aid, do you really think we became the country we did without being able to look after ourselves?
4) And if you are pessimistic about all of the above points, then the only REAL question that makes a hoot of a difference is: "How well are YOU prepared to take care of yourself and others around you who might be in need?"

Were you ever a boy scout, MEM? If not, that is too bad.
RMT
 
1. No. I think others would help us if they could. They question is could they?
2. I don't know.
3. Yes.
4. ?

Were you ever a boy scout, MEM? If not, that is too bad.
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No. I always though BS were a bunch of pussies (pardon the french).
 
4. ?
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One could take this reply in several different ways. Am I left to assume that you have no idea how well prepared you are for any emergency? Either way, perhaps you should focus more on that than how society, in general, will or will not be able to respond. As the old adage goes: Worry about yourself first, because if you can't help yourself, how will you ever be able to help anyone else?

No. I always though BS were a bunch of pussies (pardon the french).
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If that is still your attitude, I feel sorry for you. "Be Prepared" is more than a motto. And if you really ARE worried about your YS interpretation being correct, then you had better get yourself prepared. As for me, I never needed the John Titor story to convince me to be prepared for any emergency. In fact, if there is ANY redeeming value in the John Titor story, I would say helping people understand that they need to be prepared for emergencies is it.

RMT
 
Worry about yourself first, because if you can't help yourself, how will you ever be able to help anyone else
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yep.

I would say helping people understand that they need to be prepared for emergencies is it.
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i agree.

"Be Prepared" is more than a motto.
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one can "be prepared" without wearing those silly outfits. Oh, I'm sorry. Were you a BS? Opps.
 
one can "be prepared" without wearing those silly outfits. Oh, I'm sorry. Were you a BS? Opps.
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It's not about the "silly outfits". It is about discipline, and learning how to rely on yourself before you look for help from someone else.

I wonder from your comments if you are also in contempt of our military and the sacrifices they make for our freedom?

RMT
 
You are too virtuous for me. I'm clearly not worthy of one so pure. How's the weather up there on your throne. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
No, I understand. I think the BS are a bunch of pussies. And I think the USA armed forces are the greatest in the world.

You disagree with that. I'm OK with that. Why aren't you?
 
No, I understand.
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You only think you understand. You've exhibited quite a bit of ignorance on this board. But not to worry, ignorance is not a crime.
You disagree with that. I'm OK with that. Why aren't you?
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I am. It is your constant need to insult (and troll) that I can do without. And you will notice that this is why I push back. When you are civil, the world around you will be civil. When you are a jerk, the world around you responds in kind.

RMT
 
You only think you understand. You've exhibited quite a bit of ignorance on this board.
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No really. I understand what I'm saying. Just because you disagree you think I'm a jerk. I'm fine with that.

It is your constant need to insult
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It's an insult only if you are a BS. And just because I give my opinion doesn't make it true.
 
No really. I understand what I'm saying.
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More troll tactics. Try answering the issue I was pointing out, which was your lack of understand of the issue you were talking about (boy scouts), not a lack of understanding for what you were saying about them.

It's an insult only if you are a BS.
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Exactly. And so why the need to insult all boy scouts? Or why the need to insult AT ALL? Make you feel good, does it?

And just because I give my opinion doesn't make it true.
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And whether or not it is true does not affect the fact that you are still insulting people. Again the question: Why do you feel the compulsion to do so? Ever hear of the golden rule? Do you enjoy it when people insult you?

And yes, THESE are the types of issues that can speak to why you are so hooked on a civil war "interpretation". Instead of insulting groups of people, why not donate some time or money to the people trying to make it thru the recent hurricane?

RMT
 
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