Philosophical Question - Humans and Angels?

[TheCigSmokingMan]

RainManTime,

Since you complain about my posts... I have a philosophical question for you...

In a high level SUPER STRING THEORY perspective, if we are made of energy...

And from a spirtitual christian or judiam perspective, we are souls beings...


How do you tell this difference between humans, angelic begings, and angels?

Never mind, bringing up the existance of other worldly beings? How do they fit in?



Something for you to ponder,

TheCigMan

 

[TheCigSmokingMan]

Are There Really Different Human Races?

In thinking about SOUL BEINGS or ENERGY BEINGS, it leads us another question:

A linear extention of these concepts.

If HUMANS are really ENERGY SOUL beings, are there different RACIAL ETHNIC CLASSES of HUMANS?

Probably not...

We do we look different?

Some theorize that is has alot to do with TEMPATURE and CLIMATE and DIET of the region these INDIGENOUS GROUPS of HUMANS inhabitated as THEY EVOLVED.

A wild theory for sure... But it may be supported BY SCIENCE in the near future...

Is RACISM a FALSE CONCEPT...

YES.

Given these concepts, Thinking that one race is better than another is kind of silly.

THEY ARE MADE UP of the SAME STUFF but LOOK DIFFERENT for a variety of reasons.

What about "The Blader Runner" Theory of Humanity?

Has some validility in our time frame, more and more ethnically different races are mixing together and producing offspring gathering different aspects VISUALLY and INTELLECTUALLY.

Intellectually can be a misleading term because it REALLY INVOLVES THE MIND AND SOUL of the individual.

Dissenting VIEW:

Some "conspiracy theory" UFO buffs have suggested that the HUMAN RACE has BEEN INFLITRATED by SEEDING of ALIEN RACES to the degree THAT 26 DIFFERENT ALIEN BASED races are on the planet.

But Of Course, ALIENS are a "MYTH"...

If a time comes in the future where we meet the "ALIENS", we'll have to ask if they have been MESSING WITH THE HUMAN RACE.

Maybe A COLD WAR...

Using EARTH as a "VIETNAM" or "IRAQ" of ALIEN WARFARE between THEIR RACES.

That WOULDN'T BE A NICE THING TO DO to a PLANET.


But let's see what the future brings,

TheCigMan

 

[RainmanTime]

CigMan,

Not really a conspiracy issue, but I am sure you could somehow twist it into that, eh?

In a high level SUPER STRING THEORY perspective

First off, you should keep your eye on physics as much as you do TV shows. String theory is floundering in the past 5+ years. It is quickly becoming unfalsifiable (i.e. it applies to "anything and everything" and cannot seem to predict unique, testable outcomes). Moreover, those who are wedded to it are becoming exceedingly grumpy about criticism of its problems and shortcomings. Many serious physicists are calling it the next great religion, as its proponents are extolling "belief" over validation. With that said, let me move on:

if we are made of energy...

This is certainly a much more appropriate formulation of your question/thought, since all accepted forms of science agree "it is all about energy".

How do you tell this difference between humans, angelic begings, and angels?

Interesting question, especially since in another forum I participate in, a gentleman is reviewing a great deal of literature, in a comparitive sense, that seeks to examine the relationship between UFOs/aliens and the spiritual concepts of "demons and angels". In response to one of his posts which related the general Islamic view of angels and demons, I replied with the analysis that these concepts (as described by the Muslim sources) actually quite closely reflect what we know about the 3 distinct forms of energy in our universe: Baryonic Matter, Dark Matter, and Dark Energy.

I will share his post below, and then I will share my response...

RMT

 

[RainmanTime]

Article from:

http://www.esolibris.com/articles/ufo/ufo_entities.php


A Brief Account of the True Nature of the UFO Entities

Gordon Creighton presents an interesting "alternative" to the UFO Phenomenon.

One of the more curious features of the followers of the various religions is that, being so dogmatically certain that in their own particular little faith they already possess the whole Truth about all things in Heaven and Earth, it almost never occurs to any of them to look elsewhere and find out what the followers of other religions may know or may have discovered.

This is certainly a pity, for study of all the great world-religions - and notably Islam - would yield valuable clues as to the true nature of the so-called "UFO Phenomenon" and would rapidly eliminate much of the fatuous "Space-Age Mythology" that has been spawned in such profusion over the last three decades.

Islam knows, in fact, of the existence of three entirely separate and distinct species of intelligent beings in the Universe, and indeed can furnish suprisingly precise details regarding their natures and roles and activities.

Angels, Men, and Jinns
The first category is of course that of the angels or Messengers (Greek: angelos; Hebrew: malach; Arabic: malak). These are high beings created of light.

The second category, however, and the one with which we are here concerned, is the category of those beings (created before man was) who are referred to collectively in Arabic as al-jinn. Although there is some dispute about it among Arab grammarians, most of their lexicologists seem to hold that the word derives - as Arabic words almost invariably do - from a verb-root, namely janna, "to hide or to conceaL" - indeed a very fitting derivation for the name of these creatures.

The third category are men, with bodies created according to the Qur'an, of clay, or, in other words, this being poetic language, they have physical bodies assembled from the mineral and chemical elements of our periodic table - the "planetary body", as Gurdjieff used to call it.

Whereas the bodies of Angels are of light and the bodies of men are of the gross elements of the Earth, the bodies of al-jinn consist of what is variously translated as "essential fire", or "essential flame", or "smokeless fire" or "smokeless flame", and it is specifically stated in the Qur'an (Surah XV, 26 and 27) that they were created before mankind was. (Some scholars have speculated that these might be the "pre-adamic men" whose existence is hinted at here and there in the "Holy Bible.")

There has been much debate among modern students of Arabic as to precisely what these terms "min nari al-samumi" and "MIN marijin min narin" can conceivably mean in modern parlance, and some scholars have concluded that, in using these terms, the Prophet Muhammad (the Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) was there attempting to describe what Western occultists have tried to describe by such terms as ether, or maybe the so-called etheric or astral planes. (I have also seen it suggested that some sort of plasma is indicated.)

(Needless to say, such concepts as etheric plane and astral plane have no meaning for modern Science and, so far as I know, apart from Dirac, the physicists have abandoned their speculations regarding the existence of an ether.)

The source of the Jinns
Wherever it is that the Jinns are thought of as being normally located, it seems highly likely that the source of many of them, at any rate, is not very distant from us, and some Muslim scholars who have become aware of the current Western research into the so-called "UFO Phenomenon" and have reflected awhile upon it have concluded - and I think correctly - that maybe the best way we can start to visualize these matters is by thinking of the Jinns as being very close indeed to us and and yet at the same time somehow very far from us. in other words, on some other dimension, or in some other space/time framework, "right here', or maybe in a world of anti- matter right here, or occupying as it were some other universe that is here, behind alice's mirror: "a mirror-universe on the other side of the space-time continuum" as it has been neatly put by some investigators.

The Qur'an, however, is not clear on this, and admittedly it looks as though it is very possible that some of the Jinns could be fully physical and what we call extraterrestrials, while other species of them are of an altogether and finer sort of matter, corresponding to what various UFO investigators have tried to indicate by such terms as "ultraterrestriaL" or "metaterrestrial".

In thinking about these ideas, we might bear in mind the theory of the Russian philosopher P.D. Ouspensky regarding the possible existence of other, more subtle, levels of matter on which the elements of the Periodic Table of our own chemical world are repeated - and, if I understand him aright, repeated more than once, on more than one level. The early writings of Dr. Meade Layne in the USA about the "dense etheric world" from which he maintained that the UFO entities and their craft originated should also be borne in mind. (His book, The Coming of the Guardians, was published in 1958, and may prove one day to have been very important indeed.) Certain of the benevolent Jinns may well be our "Guardians".

That there is some close affinity, or some link of destiny between Jinns and Mankind seems certain, for although the vast majority of the Jinns are devils, shaytans, nevertheless we are assured in the QUR'AN that some among their many species are "goodies" and are capable of salvation. For it is specifically stated that Muhammad was sent as a Messenger to both Mankind and the Jinns, so that, in the Final Days, some of the Jinns will enter into Paradise, while the rest of them will be cast down into Hell. Their revelation to Iblis, the Top Devil ( = "Satan") is in general somewhat obscure. In the Qur'an Iblis is certainly described as a jinn, but elsewhere in the Qur'an he is also described as an angel. (Surely the explanation is that Iblis is that same high being, originally of Angelic status, who rebelled against God and is named in the Christian texts as "Lucifer?"

Had we the space, much more might be said about the Jinns and their doings, but only a brief account of their main characteristics can here be given. Their principal features, as listed below, are as I have gathered them from all the Muslim written and traditional sources that I have been able to consult over the past 15 years. The reader can see for himself the parallels with the reported features of UFO entities and can draw his own conclusions. I hope I do not have to labour the point, space being precious.


Continued.....

 

[RainmanTime]

Continued...

The chief characteristics of the Jinns
1. In the normal state they are not visible to ordinary human sight.

2. They are, however, capable of materializing and appearing in the physical world. And they can alternately make themselves visible or invisible at will.

3. They can change shape, and appear in any sort of guise, large or small. (See for example, Ahmad Jamaludin's excellent report, A wave of small humanoids in Malaysia in 1970, in FSR Vol. 28, No. 5). Ahmad Jamaludin is a Muslim, and he knows, of course, what it is that we are talking about.

4. They are able also to appear in the guise of animals. (Yetis? Pumas? Loch Ness Monsters?)

5. They are inveterate liars and deceivers, and delight in bamboozling and misleading mankind with all manner of nonsense. (See the average Spiritualist seance for examples of their activities, and also the usual "communications" from UFO entities in close-encounter cases.)

6. They are addicted to the abduction or kidnapping of humans. (The Scotsman Robert Kirk, who wrote "The Secret Commonwealth" in 1691, evidently "knew more than was good for his health", and was killed by them.)

7. They delight in tempting humans into sexual intercourse and liaisons with them, and Arabic literature abounds with accounts of this kind of contact by mankind with both the "goodies" and the "baddies" among the Jinns. There are also even a considerable number of accounts of encounters between the "goodies" and famous Muslim saints. For example, the book Manaquib al-arifin has a number of very significant references to contacts between such higher beings, and Jalal al-din Rumi, Islam's greatest mystical poet, who lived from 1207 to 1273.

In official Islam - and this cannot be over-emphasized - the existence of the Jinns has always been completely accepted, even legally, and even to this day, in Islamic jurisprudence. the full consequences implied by their existence were worked out long ago. Their legal status, in all respects, was discussed and fixed, and the possible relations between them and mankind - especially in relation to questions of marriage and property! - were seriously examined by jurists, as the greatest and most authoritative western source, the encyclopaedia of Islam, confirms.

Stories of sexual commerce between Jinns and mankind have been of perennial interest to Arab readers, and it is important at this point to mention that in Chinese literature (and in China the Han population are not Muslims - only certain of the smaller minority peoples of the North-West and Far West are) there is also a considerable tradition of this sort which awaits examination by Ufologists.

The great Arabic literary catalogue known as the Fihrist compiled in the year 373 of the Muslim Calendar ( = C.E. 995) by Muhammad bin Ishaq bin Abi Ya'qub al-Nadim al-Warraq al-Baghdadi, lists no less than sixteen works dealing with this theme. (Compare also the European occultists' records of sexual contact between men and female sylphs, as well as the copious mediaeval Christian records relating to incubi and succabae.)

Most Westerners will discount all this talk about the Jinns with the usual argument that the Arabs "are barbarians anyway". Let me therefore point out that, in C.E.995, when the Fihrist was written, the brilliant civilization of the Arabs was incomparably higher than anything elsewhere in the world except for China and that Christian and Western renaissance owes its origins as much to our contact with Islam (the Crusades) as to the early percolation of Greek learning to the West.

As a matter of fact quite a lot of the philosophy and the literature of the Greeks reached us first, not in Greek at all, but in the Arabic translations secured from Cordoba and Toledo in Spain in the 10th and 11th centuries, when the Muslims still held most of Spain.

It is only in the last few centuries, and particularly since the Industrial Revolution and the growth of modern materialistic Science, that the West has forged ahead. But in 1200 C.E. Muslim Science was in the lead, particularly in such fields as Medicine, Mathematics, and Astronomy, and it would be grossly impudent to assume that our current "superiority" over them has anything permanent about it.

8. The Jinns are wont to snatch up humans and teleport or transport them, setting them down again - if indeed they ever do set them down again - miles away from where they were picked up, and all this is the "twinkling of an eye".

9. The Arabian tradition asserts that, throughout all known history, there have been a few particular human beings who, through some strange favour, have "been in league with the Jinns" or "had a co-pact with the Jinns" - to such a degree that the Jinns have endowed them with what we regard as "preternatural powers" - ie., psychic powers.

These humans have consequently become known as wonder-workers, soothsayers, and magicians. (Either "white magicians" or "black magicians", depending of course upon what sort of Jinns they were in league with.)

Here again, compare the European tradition about individuals who have discovered how to collaborate with the kingdom of the sylphs or the fairies. For example, there is the case of the "working partnership", not more than seventy years ago, between a sylph and a highly successful Parisian dealer in rare old books. The sylph made its contribution by acting as the "scout" and finding out where and in whose possession the rare books were. All the dealer had to do then was to approach the owners and offer to buy!

10. Along with all these displays of prowess by the Jinns there goes, finally, a tremendous telepathic power and the ability (to use an age-old term) to "cast a glamour" over their human victims. Our UFO records are already full of evidence of this.

How much of what we see happening today, at the highest levels of international politics, as well as in ordinary human affairs, can be attributed to this subtle control and interference in our lives by insidious and unseen forces! Indeed, this is one of the prime reasons for the parlous state in which man finds himself. Some recent reports from UFO investigators hint at alien plans to provoke war here and drive the Gadarene Swine (mankind) over into the abyss.

The present-day Christians, who generally seem to have very little sense of curiosity, are apparently quite happy to pass their days in total ignorance of all this. But a careful study of the New Testament (and only in the original Greek!) will show clearly that nothing of what is said above was unknown either to the Teacher and Healer Jeshu of Nazareth or to his principal followers -particularly Paul. (Incidentally, Christians may like to know that in Islam the full name and title of Jeshu of Nazareth is Issa, son of Mary, word of God.)

Long before the rise of Christianity or Islam there were of course other great Teachers (Messengers) who preceived clearly the situation in which mankind finds itself. One of these was Zarathustra (Zoroaster) in the old Iranian civilization of the Achaemenidae - about 600 or 700 years B.C.E. The great religious text left by Zarathustra is the Avesta, which tells us much about the Demonic Forces, referred to under the blanket term of Ahriman, the Enemy of Light. Mankind, in this teaching, is seen as a special creation of Ormazd, the supreme spirit, who is locked in permanent conflict with Ahriman.

The soul of man is the object of the war, and man himself is the battlefield. -- Dr. Rudolph Steiner

In our days, there has probably been no teacher who saw and understood all this more clearly that the great Austrian Dr. Rudolf Steiner (1861-1925), founder of the Anthroposophical Society.

"Clairvoyant" from childhood, Steiner [claims he] saw into the other worlds and planes and saw deeply into the human heart, and no books or teachings are so relevant as his are to the crisis of mankind that is now upon us. His lectures throughout 1917, for example, show clearly that he foresaw, in their totality, the political, social, and military results and the police-state tyranny which would inevitably follow from the Russian Revolution, just as the "Lady" of the Apparitions at Fatima in the same year also did.

Steiner foresaw what would result in the world as a whole from a materialistic science run mad: the development of "test-tube" man, "biological engineering" and other horrors; the deliberate creation and development of living monsters; and the soul-less, God-less, dehumanized, computerized, insect-like chromium and plastic slave world of "1984" that may now be at hand.

According to Steiner, a tremendous and crucial round in the battle was fought out in the last thirty years of the 19th century and on the Inner Planes, between the Forces of Ahriman (the term he took over from Zarathustra) and the forces of light.

These latter are conventionally known to Western (Christian) tradition as the Cohorts of Michael. Steiner said that the fight ended in a complete victory for the light, but that, as a result of it, a great many of the powerful demonic beings had been actually cast down upon the planet Earth, with the consequence that their presence and their influence now impinge more than ever upon the propects and the destiny of mankind.

Steiner taught that the coming years will see incredible upheavals, in the course of which this great battle will be carried forward, to its conclusion, inside every human heart. See Rudolf Steiner: Der Sturz der Geister der Finsternis: (The Overthrow of the Spirits of Darkness), Series of Lectures, 1917. (Available only in German.)

The objective of the Forces of Darkness is to take over the stream of human evolution, to merge with it, and to divert mankind from the evolutionary development "planned" for it. The end result of this would be new creatures in which those qualities that represent the highest that we know would have been eliminated.

Smart-alecky modern man of the Pop Age, the "Trousered Ape" as he has been called, has of course no use for all this sort of "rubbish", and immense numbers of our species have discarded all belief in the existence of demons, along with any belief in the Great Power that rules the Universe.

(Sophisticated folk nowadays know that the world was not created by God, but by Karl Marx. And they know that Lenin and successors are His Prophets.)

There is a delightful passage in C.S. Lewis's Screwtape Letters, where the Senior Devil, talking to one of his underlings, makes a profoundly important remark: "of course, our greatest trump-card is the fact that everybody *knows* we don't exist." (Or words to that effect.)

Similarly, the vast majority of mankind know that Jinns and UFOs and UFO entities don't exist. And what a nice advantage that is for the entities!

But what if homo sap (so-called, self-dubbed) were in for some big shocks in the near future? What then?

With the recent advance of Science, man has rapidly become aware of the vastness of the Cosmos and of the probability that there exist out there innumerable other physical worlds inhabited by intelligent beings, some of which, for all we know, may be (as we dearly hope) identical with men, with our tastes and our values, our hopes and our fears.

It is natural that some among us, surveying the impasse into which we have got ourselves, might well be tempted to look up to the stars in the hope that someone wiser than we are might arrive one day from there and give us all the easy answers.

If there be any truth in the ancient story that the inhabitants of Magonia, unlike men, do not possess the possibility of developing immortal souls, and therefore are anxious to acquire such by mating with us and mingling their life-stream with ours, what moment could be more propitious to them for achieving their purpose than now?

Can't you just hear the message of their Captain?

"We are from Tau Ceti, and we come to bring you salvation and show you the way out of your problems. We will get you off the hook!"

 

[RainmanTime]

And here was my response to this article:

ScaRZ,

I am truly enjoying the writings and knowledge you are sharing here. I am a person who thoroughly enjoys looking for (and often finding!) bits of scientific truth that are scattered throughout the stories of mystical/spiritual traditions. When you have done as much study of such things as I have, it is not at all suprising that ALL such stories from different traditions have MANY points of intersection with each other, and with what science is confirming about our "reality". These stories from the Islamic views are no different:

Angels are the most numerous kind of creation of Allah. There are more angels than the other creations of Allah, including the humans and jinn--even the trees.

As I read these articles I had an "a ha" moment. The above quote was one of the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle that lead to this moment. Recently, thanks to a NASA probe known as WMAP, we have learned that the normal (baryonic) matter that we see around us is but a VERY small fraction of the total energy in the universe... about 4% to be relatively precise. In this finding alone, science has completely validated what shows up in many religious/spiritual belief structures, namely that the universe we see is but a teeny-tiny part of "all there is". Science now tells us that beyond ordinary matter and it's 4% share, we also have:

23% of the energy in the universe is attributed to "Dark Matter"(DM). This DM does not give off, or reflect, radiation as baryonic matter does. However, it acts like baryonic matter in that it gravitates... it pulls other bodies towards is. Because it does not give off or reflect energy in the form of radiation, we cannot directly perceive it in ANY frequency band. We can only see its effects on the motion of other bodies of baryonic matter.

73% of the energy in the universe is attributed to "Dark Energy" (DE). Like DM, DE also is not directly visible to either our human senses or our extended senses (radio telescopes, etc.). However, unlike DM or baryonic matter, DE acts in an anti-gravitational manner. Indeed, DE is "the force" which appears to not only be pulling the universe apart, but doing so at an accelerating rate...something again which science has only recently confirmed.

Now I would like everyone to read again the quote above about how angels are the most numerous kind of creation by Allah, and then couch this in terms of what science has told us about DE. Interesting, no? Science (again!) validates a spiritual belief handed down by generations of what amounts to storytelling. But it does not end here.

Among the most important matters of the belief (Iman) is to believe in the angels, i.e., to believe, although we don’t usually see them, that angels exist and they are one of the kinds of creations Allah created. Allah created the angels from light.

Hmmm... we don't (usually) see them AND they were created from light. Another piece of the scientific puzzle to connect them to DE? Quite possibly, yes.

To believe in Allah includes believing that Allah exists and that His existence is without time and without a place, unlike the existence of the created things.

Beyond space-time. And note that the indivisibility of space from time is something science has only recently (via the work of Einstein) confirmed as truth. Yet here we see it described in a spiritual tradition!

The belief in Allah includes believing that He is eternal; there never was a time Allah did not exist and then He came into existence. He is everlasting; there never will be a time when He will cease to exist. Rather, Allah is the Creator of everything. He created everything by his Power, Knowledge, and Will.

Would it be reasonable to equate Allah to "an external systemic cause that is not of this world ("system"?) Yes, I think it would be.

The ones who convey the orders of Allah are the angels.

We are now aware that DE is the force that is directing the expansion of the universe.

Allah created the angels from light, created the jinn from the pure flame of fire, and Adam from that which was described to you (i.e., the clay.)

In case folks are not seeing the direct analogy to scientific knowledge, let me spell it out:

Angels = Dark Energy (anti-gravitating..the largest form of energy in the universe).
Jinn = Dark Matter (gravitating, but invisible. Like man, but not OF man).
Adam = Baryonic Matter (visible, objectified, "clay"...gravitating).

Interesting, no?

Among all the angels, Angel Jibril is the one with the most merit and highest status.

It seems quite probable that this is the Western/Christian telling of the Angel Gabriel, no? For an angel such as this to be so similarly described in two major spiritual traditions, it makes me wonder if there is some potential scientific basis and connection between the FUNCTION of Gabriel and the FUNCTION of Dark Energy?

Islam knows, in fact, of the existence of three entirely separate and distinct species of intelligent beings in the Universe, and indeed can furnish suprisingly precise details regarding their natures and roles and activities.

Don't forget: DE=Angels, DM=Jinn, BM=Adam!

The second category, however, and the one with which we are here concerned, is the category of those beings (created before man was) who are referred to collectively in Arabic as al-jinn. Although there is some dispute about it among Arab grammarians, most of their lexicologists seem to hold that the word derives - as Arabic words almost invariably do - from a verb-root, namely janna, "to hide or to conceaL" - indeed a very fitting derivation for the name of these creatures.

To hide or conceal? Hmmmm.... DM is certainly hidden and concealed in that it does not radiate energy nor does it reflect such radiation!

The third category are men, with bodies created according to the Qur'an, of clay, or, in other words, this being poetic language, they have physical bodies assembled from the mineral and chemical elements of our periodic table - the "planetary body", as Gurdjieff used to call it.

In other words, man is formed from normal, Baryonic Matter.

Whereas the bodies of Angels are of light and the bodies of men are of the gross elements of the Earth, the bodies of al-jinn consist of what is variously translated as "essential fire", or "essential flame", or "smokeless fire" or "smokeless flame", and it is specifically stated in the Qur'an (Surah XV, 26 and 27) that they were created before mankind was. (Some scholars have speculated that these might be the "pre-adamic men" whose existence is hinted at here and there in the "Holy Bible.")

And other scholars (me!) speculate that the bodies of Jinn correspond to DM!

There has been much debate among modern students of Arabic as to precisely what these terms "min nari al-samumi" and "MIN marijin min narin" can conceivably mean in modern parlance, and some scholars have concluded that, in using these terms, the Prophet Muhammad (the Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) was there attempting to describe what Western occultists have tried to describe by such terms as ether, or maybe the so-called etheric or astral planes. (I have also seen it suggested that some sort of plasma is indicated.)

Or a possible connection to the FUNCTION of DM???

(Needless to say, such concepts as etheric plane and astral plane have no meaning for modern Science and, so far as I know, apart from Dirac, the physicists have abandoned their speculations regarding the existence of an ether.)

I am inferring a meaning! What if this relates to DM?

The source of the Jinns
Wherever it is that the Jinns are thought of as being normally located, it seems highly likely that the source of many of them, at any rate, is not very distant from us, and some Muslim scholars who have become aware of the current Western research into the so-called "UFO Phenomenon" and have reflected awhile upon it have concluded - and I think correctly - that maybe the best way we can start to visualize these matters is by thinking of the Jinns as being very close indeed to us and and yet at the same time somehow very far from us. in other words, on some other dimension, or in some other space/time framework, "right here', or maybe in a world of anti- matter right here, or occupying as it were some other universe that is here, behind alice's mirror: "a mirror-universe on the other side of the space-time continuum" as it has been neatly put by some investigators.

Or a primary component of energy in this universe...like DM? And indeed we may find that DM has interdimensional elements and capacities as we investigate it further!

The Qur'an, however, is not clear on this, and admittedly it looks as though it is very possible that some of the Jinns could be fully physical and what we call extraterrestrials, while other species of them are of an altogether and finer sort of matter,

Exactly!

That there is some close affinity, or some link of destiny between Jinns and Mankind seems certain,

Both DM and BM gravitate, whereas DE anti-gravitates.

I think there is a lot more "real science" embedded in ALL spiritual and mystical traditions than most people suspect. 8)

Ray

 

[TheCigSmokingMan]

I Dream of Jeannie Maybe be our Salvation!

RainmanTime,

I think I've should have paid more attention to the talk of the "Ginns" on "I Dream of Jeannie" than Ms. Barbara Eden and her trail-blazing custome on TV. (There is only one "Miss America" and it's always been BARBARA EDEN.)

Its Funny... How they talked on and on about the Iraq area in the Middeeast and where we are today in the region.

And the rumors that the Bush Administration was more INTERESTED in CAPTURING MYSTICAL OBJECTS from the region and BUILDING A BABYLONIAN TOWER now known as future THE U.S. EMBASSY.

And rumored AMULET OF PROTECTION that Saddam Hussien was rumored to have... I wonder which BUSH is wearing it today?...

By the way, have we stopped the enourmous cost of construction and work on THAT DEMONIC BUILDING YET?

Also interesting in the regards, is the LOOTING of MUSEUMS in IRAQ where COLLABRATORS with the ILLUMNINATI and evil element of the U.S. Armed Forces may conspired to "collect" as many of these so-called MYSTICAL objects for themselves.

And then the INVISIBLE STYLE attacks on GROUND FORCES and ARMORED PATROLS may be "mystically" explained after these LOOTINGS.



But I think we have a couple of solutions for the "Jinns":

o PRAY TO GOD to eliminate or remove their power or make them visible in our plane of existance
o To ask for ASSISTANCE from the ALIENS currently monitoring our planet
o And FINALLY, we MARRY the female JINNS just like "I Dream of Jeannie" and promise to love them forever. But of course, we have to pay more attention to them and treat them like princesses than Major Nelson did on the series. And they would have to share a "bedroom" and not be forced to live in a "bottle". (With she did not dump him for Major Healy, I can't explain it.)


On a personal note, you a quite the WRITER one not attacking someone and running on Q'Ballah or physics. You perhaps write a column or a book. I would certainly buy it.



TheCigMan

 

[RainmanTime]

Re: I Dream of Jeannie Maybe be our Salvation!

Ciggy,

But I think we have a couple of solutions for the "Jinns":

o PRAY TO GOD to eliminate or remove their power or make them visible in our plane of existance

God created them. And knowing as I do that God is the ultimte systems engineer that means there is an explicit purpose for the Jinn. I'm sure you've heard the term "necessary evil"?

o To ask for ASSISTANCE from the ALIENS currently monitoring our planet

What makes you think they are friendly and/or wish to help us? Seen in the context of the Mayans and Hernando Cortez, I would think you of all people should immediately be suspicious of "strangers from strange lands".

On a personal note, you a quite the WRITER one not attacking someone and running on Q'Ballah or physics.

Thanks Ciggy, but perhaps you have not made the connection yet to realize that the vast majority of what I write about is "connecting the dots" between science, spirituality, qabalah, and physics. It is my system function!

You perhaps write a column or a book. I would certainly buy it.

If I did, it would not have a price tag attached (i.e. I would ensure it was free, like my website). My technical skills and tasks meet all my mortal needs. And I am not one who seeks to be uber-wealthy nor do I seek inordinate fame. Only to serve...

RMT

 

[ruthless]

Re: I Dream of Jeannie Maybe be our Salvation!

rmt, do you think its too much information for one man to connect in his lifetime? just wondering.
and do you ever feel like god does not want it known?

 

[TheCigSmokingMan]

Re: I Dream of Jeannie Maybe be our Salvation!

RainmanTime,

Fame was 'McMonagle's last thing in mind. It's the only way to save or PROLONG his life.

You spend too much IN 'COLLEGE' and 'GRUMMAN' LABS or in LA LA LAND.

In the NYC area, you have to SURVIVE on the STREETS on a one on one personal basis.

Sorry, you don't approve of our methods. He would have be FAMOUS from the paintings alone...

To say the least.




TheCigMan