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jmpet

Quantum Scribe
Re: TTA_01

Greetings to all board members. My name is Joe. I started posting a year ago in this forum and immediately ran head first into a wall known as Rainman. Reading TTA_01's posts, I see his story is much the same as mine.

I compiled "Words for the Future by John Titor" which is a compilation of everything John said into one paper.
http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=36823&Forum=All_Forums&Words=jmpet&Match=Username&Searchpage=2&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=36823&Search=true#Post36823

I immediately hit the wall with Rainman who called it "a revisionist's tactic most often used as a form of propaganda to further one's own agenda." I then took "Professor" Rainman's own postings and compiled them into "Words for the Future, by Rainman". This "revisionist tactic" took everything Rainman had said for the past few years about his Massive Spacetime theory and put it all into one article verbatum- the resulting article made Rainman sound nuttier than a fruitcake.
http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=37207&Forum=All_Forums&Words=jmpet&Match=Username&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=37207&Search=true#Post37207

This immediately led to the "it's either him or me" showdown by Rainman just like this recent one by TTO_01
http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/viewpoll.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=37181&Board=time_travel&what=showflat&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=4&vc=1&poll=1133803793RainmanTime

Rainman then went to the Cal Poly computer room and voted for me to leave over and over again on different computers. I am glad he did not do the same trick on TTA_01, but then again he's not working at Cal Poly this year for some reason.

I am glad Rainman has moved on with it. He was always too scientific for this board, in my view. He had his own unique perspective of the universe that made sense to him, but he was unable to ever write it down on paper. So instead, he decided to shoot down everyone else's wacky nutjob theory instead for entertainment (and intellectual vanity) reasons and suddenly this became a time travel forum where you can't talk about time travel without getting attacked.

Rainman's theory ultimately boils down to metaphysics and this is where he and I butted heads- I could never get Rainman to agree we all co-exist in the same tangable universe- Rainman's theory ultimately states that everything boils down to one conciousness- "yours"- and we all have a unique view of the universe. As such, we are all "gods of our own universes". I flatly disagree with that and have the whole of science to back me up.

I said to Rainman- the proof we all co-exist in one universe is the fact that if I wanted to, I could get into a plane, go to your house and shoot you. If you are "god of your own universe" this would not be possible but the fact remains- I could get into a plane and do it and you couldn't stop me. If you were "god of your own universe" you could, but we all co-exist in the same one universe and as such, your Massive Spactime theory is invalid. This was too much for him to accept.

Looking back at the past year's boards I see many people coming to the boards, running into Rainman, then high-tailing out, never to return. Since time travel does not exist, how could ANY scientist espouse the laws of time travel to us? They can't- they're equally in the dark.

My interest is time travel- the concept of time travel. If the probabilities of something is one in a billion and you've got 300 billion universes then it's happening billions of times over in the multiverse.

I believe one of John Titor's mission parameters was to plant the seed of the possibility of time travel so the cascading effect of this new idea will flourish over time to where 30 years later N-more universes will be exploring this possibility as a practical application, perhaps also to help Titor land back in a universe that does have time travel (cognito ergo sum).

Personally, I don't believe that Titor was a real time traveller- there are too many unanswered logical questions and contradictions within the words themselves. I have my own theory about that but don't want to offend the people on this board. But at the same time I believe that if we all sit here and talk about John Titor and the possibilities that by 2038 time travel WILL become a reality and therefore John Titor will at that point become a real person who really went back in time to 1975 and 2000- at that point, it will be a true story.

I believe this is how non-time travelers percieve real time travelers in their midst- this is the only way a snake eating its own tail makes sense to the snake: first it sounds right, then it kinda doesn't make sense, then it makes no sense, then it starts making sense all over again and by the end, it makes perfect sense. In that regard, I believe that when you read John Titor's words in 2038 you'll get a good laugh because by then, he was exactly right all along- even though there never was a John Titor in the first place!

I would like to have a discussion about the universe- how it works, how it could work and how we could make it work.

One thing Rainman disagreed with me over was the possibility of time travel itself. Time travel exists- time travel is a natural part of the universe; time travel is happening everywhere in our universe all the time.

We are in the Milky Way galaxy, about 2/3rds out in a spiral arm rotating around the SMBH at about 2.5 million miles an hour. To our solar system, one "galaxial year" is equal to "the amount of time it will take for the entire solar system to rotate once around the galaxy" and this number is 250,000 light years.

If we were a lot closer to the center of the galaxy, one "year" would be far less time- the closer you are to an object, the smaller the orbit will be, the less time it takes to traverse that distance.

So imagine getting into your magic spaceship and plotting a straight line through the Milky Way close to the SMBH in the center. In the time it will take the solar system to traverse a half-circle around the galaxy you're plotting a straight course from A to B. In short, you end up at point B waiting for "the solar system to catch up with you". In other words, you just traveled time.

The floor's open-
 
Seeing as my forum buddy is not here to stick up for himself any longer;

I am glad Rainman has moved on with it. He was always too scientific for this board, in my view. He had his own unique perspective of the universe that made sense to him, but he was unable to ever write it down on paper.

With reason. He would often speculate but when relaying ideas to others (unless he stated otherwise) - but this was mainly in private. However due to his background he always strove to back up his theory with 'testable' or at least 'supportive' maths/science or at a minimum, 'observable' evidence. Isn't that a logical. Something your 'titor' lacked and created great deal of subsequent damage to the ligitimacy of the time travel subject? (and dont get me started on the Civil War issue).

I said to Rainman- the proof we all co-exist in one universe is the fact that if I wanted to, I could get into a plane, go to your house and shoot you. If you are "god of your own universe" this would not be possible but the fact remains- I could get into a plane and do it and you couldn't stop me. If you were "god of your own universe" you could, but we all co-exist in the same one universe and as such, your Massive Spactime theory is invalid. This was too much for him to accept.

This argument is Shocking. Having spoken to Ray a few times over email - your grasp of his ideas is almost absurd to read. Do You really think such a simple analogy proves the reality or your claim? I guess the only way to prove your theory is to go and shoot Ray. HOWEVER when you do, only he (Ray) will know if you were right or not. Because within YOUR INDIVIDUAL RELATIVE perception of the universe, you are the 'god' (carrying out your own intention with your influence of the universe). I guess what you should have said is, "Ray please prove my claim by flying over to ME and shooting ME". Do you see? but then again....maybe he'd send around one of his agents to do it for him
I hate those guys they really arent polite at all!

Rainman's theory ultimately boils down to metaphysics and this is where he and I butted heads- I could never get Rainman to agree we all co-exist in the same tangable universe- Rainman's theory ultimately states that everything boils down to one conciousness- "yours"- and we all have a unique view of the universe. As such, we are all "gods of our own universes".

Interesting, this isnt quite the picture i got from him. Yours seems VERY muddled to me. Everything in your personal reality boils down to your own consciousness - its how you percieve your own existance and how you attract events within your field of experience. Its also how you Engineer your own reality. Of course, If you are talking about going against the WILL of others (ie engineering others personal reality or 'tricking them' to doing it for you) - the subject gets more complicated. I could use the story of John Titor itself as one such example. I think Ray touched on this through the idea of 'Information' used as a weapon. But i'm guessing this probably washed over people. Perhaps Including yourself.

I flatly disagree with that and have the whole of science to back me up.

fair cop. However i hope you can prove mathematically that science backs you up in this area - since you have claimed so. What you provided was a senario, not evidence. One which i might add, fits in with RMT rather then against him. I'm not so sure that science has advanced enough to be used to PROVE your opinion here. You are still, remember, talking on a speculative subject. One that Ray often would not like to be drawn into on the forum.

Also i feel i should add, Ray never fully went into his personal ideas regarding 'metaphysics' on the forum. mostly, preffering to offer information which he could publically back up. Even under speculation he would try and back it up with observational and supportive evidence. Nothing is ever what it seems...


Kind regards,
Olly
 
>I flatly disagree with that and have the whole of science to back me up.

>>fair cop. However i hope you can prove mathematically that science backs you up in this area - since you have claimed so. What you provided was a senario, not evidence.

Ugh. Now I have to prove to you that reality really exists? Sheesh. Okay- me here now arguing with you that reality really exists goes against your notion of the universe- the one where you are a mini god and reality is nothing more than what you observe. Since I am here arguing against you against your will, I have proven that reality exists. And unless you can will me to stop (being god of your universe and all), you're wrong and we're interconnected in one tangable universe: this one.

>>Also i feel i should add, Ray never fully went into his personal ideas regarding 'metaphysics' on the forum.<<

This is exactly my point- he NEVER went into his metaphysical mumbo-jumbo which is at the very core of his beliefs. And since it is at the very core of his beliefs, all of his perceptions were based on those pre-concieved notions, which are unscientific in principle.

This is why we don't want to hear the Dalai Lama talk about physical well being- because he's talking religion and not physiology... because even if the Dalai Lama is right, his assertion is not scientific- it's falsifiable, which means it ain't science, which means he ain't no scientist which means his scientific opinion is not rooted in science but "trees of life" which is why Rainman's "scientific opinion" is not based on science but half-science which makes it unscientific.

In other words, Rainman insisting that no scientific evidence is neccesary to back up his theory makes it unscientific, case closed.
 
In reading your comments regarding what Rainman had posted on this board, it is painfully clear you didnt understand the man what so ever.

The points you are making are twisted and so far from the truth that anyone that doesnt see what you are doing needs to have an intelligence test done.

You also have demonstrated to this board what kind of people most of us don't want on here.

RainmanTime isnt able to respond to your accusations and personal attacks...and you persist on doing it. ( note: just because he can't post, doesnt mean he can't read whats posted on this site )

Is it possible for you to move on and stay on topic...time travel discussion..without the attacks ?

If not, you should be banned.

I also have the strangest feeling regarding your identity...I think if the time was taken it might turn out that you are probably a multiple poster. From what you have said and the manner it has been said...I'd almost think I was reading posts written under other name(s). "I" can't prove it, ...just something about you that doesnt seem on the level.
 
I'm willing to drop Rainman although I am not sad to see him go and I am willing to move on to new topics. Is that good enough for you?
 
ROFLMAO...Good try, but not quite good enough.

If you edit your post, you should let your post show that you did so. It should be noted that my original reply in this post was NOT to the above post, but to one entirely different.

And yes, if you are willing to drop the attacks, and move on, then I am willing to perhaps listen to what you have to say regarding time travel.
 
To be honest, pure logic does dictate that the acceptance of Mr. Titor as a time traveller would be extremely premature.
However there are things about what he had posted that do and always will spark our curiosity.

The year that he started to post his "predictions" and the following years sequence of events in correlation to his forecasted outcomes are startling to say the least.

There are many plausible answers for this.

A./ Inside track to privileged information
B./ Physic ~ AKA Nostradamus syndrome
C./ Greatly intelligent seeing patterns in society and predicting outcomes based on this
D./ Intensely lucky with a greatly creative mind
E./ Privileged information from another countries insight
F./ Something we never thought of

I'm sure the list goes on. Fact is, there is interesting statements that do "pull all the stops",
but to say one over the over is fact, would be irresponsible.

Just my two cents /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
I am glad Rainman has moved on with it.

Good. RMT did no belong on this board. It takes an open mind and a willingness to discuss theories that does not necessarily fit your view of the world. RMT was way-too-rigid in his thinking. I guess that's just what happens to your brain as you get old.
 
From the Admin:

RE:The topic of conversation here is...

...Time Travel. So talk about Time Travel. If you're upset because someone isn't making sense or is posting nonsense... well, surprise... the entire concept of Time Travel is nonsense right now! Deal with it.
 
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