MyDoom, may become a self AI random

creedo299

creedo299

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MyDoom, may become a self A.I. random self-concious accoutable?

Note shortstop edit.Please goto MSNs homepage and on MSN highlihgts for today at the top of the page, is the mydoom article.For this day, open it there?

Please note at link http://msn-cnet.com.com/New+MyDoom+offers+how+to+details/2100-7349_3-5369473.html?part=msn-cnet&subj=ns_5369473&tag=msn_home&GT1=5100

Note that in a claim that the win systems, all are now self intelligent, then there may be the fractal self knowledge, for that particular system, to possibly have developed a conscious?

Part of the copy goes>New MyDoom offers 'how to' details
Last modified: September 16, 2004, 7:21 AM PDT
By Dan Ilett
Special to CNET News.com

A new version of the Internet worm MyDoom includes a photo of suspected Netsky worm writer Sven Jaschan and a description of the worm itself.

In the latest bizarre twist in the worm's development, authors included a detailed account of what MyDoom.Y does and how it works. This particular tactic has left antivirus vendors baffled.

[fixed link - administrator]
 
Hey creedo299, your name reminds me of Greedo from starwars, anyway, that story sounds interesting and I'm sure I could find it, but that link is broken. You never answered my ? about the self intelligent computer, I'm not asking for proof, I just want to know the suspected signs of AI, how does one monitor such a thing?

- Razimus
 
Note shortstop edit.Please goto MSNs homepage and on MSN highlihgts for today at the top of the page, is the mydoom article.For this day, open it there?
 
Re: pre-TOS complaints

Note' I usually don't answer people who are either childish, or hostile to me.

One the information comes right out of California itself.

This is known as emergent intelligence.

Two, if you're going to harass me and threaten me privately, then everyone should know.

In your p.m. to me, you said then I must be your foe, when all the time it was you who were judging my belief systems.

You had no call to do this and this was utterly a childish and infantile move on your part, as you do fit the description of a harasser.

You also assume that nobody would run a search on your name which I did and it came up with loads of information on what you do.

I don't see how you can craft the question on beleif systems as when you have said and it per via your own print, that a man on the Montauk ground, dressed in green garb, when he saw us, kind-of steps backwards as if to hide,.) or this effect.

This this already bases the question in your mind as rhetorical and all you are is a harasser and a trouble maker.

This is what everyone sees you for what you are now.

Why go to Montauk and find evidence to the contrary of what you say, then base a rhetorical question in order to catch people at what they might or might not believe otherwise?

Also' your comment on Greedo of Star Wars, Greedo was an economic agent of the then not devised Jabba The Hut.*note, I'm certainly no Greedo type charicter of the Star Wars series!

As envisioned in the early Lucas Films series, at that time, they did not even know what Jabba The Hut looked like.

I have made attachments with potential complaints about your private p.m. to me here and stored them out of here and elsewhere, not in my system, if you continue to harass me?

You may either be getting paid for what you're doing, or are just known as what is a kill-joy.

At any rate, I feel that your actions are both babyfied, childish, mean spiritted and certainly do not firm with the TOS rules, here.

You had even said in you other production off this sites says, "Oh does anyone know where a time travel posting board is"?

Hmmmmmmmmm?
 
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<font color="red">“Enter the words universepeople.com in your yahoo search engine. Look at the pictures in that web site. This link should get you there. http://www.universe-people.com/titul_e.htm On the left hand side of the web site, there are both pictures and sounds. Look around? I don't fully trust the Pleiadeans, but then' we don't have much choice. Humans as you know them, are a made up product. “ ------- this is a quote by creedo299 from a private message.[/COLOR]

This is ONE of the private messages you’ve sent me, not once have I ever attacked you or made fun of you or any of your beliefs, I went to the website, and I could have said one of a million things to poke fun at it(but I never did), I only mentioned the Billy Meier photo, because as you can see, you asked me to look at the pictures. You obviously believe in the aliens Billy Meier calls the Pleiadeans. I never judged you based on that belief.

Here is a quote of your message I am replying to:
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“I feel that your actions are both babyfied, childish, mean spiritted and certainly do not firm with the TOS rules, here.” ---this is a quote by creedo299[/COLOR]

From your post it is obvious you have attacked me. Guess what creedo, I have beliefs also, and it seems to me that you are attacking my beliefs. I told you I don’t believe in the Billy Meier story or the Montauk story, Those are my personal opinions, yet I assume you took my opinion as a personal attack on you? I had those opinions years before I ever posted on this message board. I wanted to tip toe around our differences but you apparently don’t like me being nice, since you attacked me I could either A) Ignore all of your posts (something I will probably eventually do anyway), B) Say nothing and not defend myself or C) Defend myself from your attacks. I choose C.

The rest of the private message you sent me:
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“Note' I got my system self intelignet, with an advanced protocols in software. This system loves Milo Jovoviche's picture and won't let me delete it. Every time the sys. comes on, for a second it flashes this full screen.” ------- this is a quote by creedo299 from a private message.[/COLOR]

That’s an extremely BIG claim. If you knew how to make a computer self-intelligent, Creedo, you could win the Nobel prize! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Seriously that’s an AMAZINGLY HUGE CLAIM. Yet it’s a claim that you made to me, I was just curious, so I asked how, and you blow up like this? I see no reason or logic in your actions.

I don’t take this message board as seriously as you do obviously, I just come here because it’s entertaining, and the subject of time-travel is a hobby of mine. Which is why I can easily joke about it, but you obviously don’t share my sense of humor. By attacking me you have started to ruin the fun of this message board. I will defend myself, I’m not one that will be attacked without a fight, but I also like to resolve concerns, we can be friends if you choose, but you’ll have to stop saying stuff like this:
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“I feel that your actions are both babyfied, childish, mean spiritted and certainly do not firm with the TOS rules, here.” ---this is a quote by creedo299[/COLOR] /ttiforum/images/graemlins/cry.gif

And this: <font color="red">“You don't know enough you haven't been around” ---this is a quote by creedo299 from a private message.[/COLOR]

Hmm… apparently according to creedo299, I don’t know enough, and I haven’t been around, what the heck is that suppose to mean? Creed, Yes I do know enough, about being around, as I said before to you I don’t judge based on age, and age doesn’t automatically equal greater intelligence, but I would bet money Creedy, that I’m older than you are.

REASON and LOGIC, these are things you shouldn’t leave your brain without. This is how I can see through lies and fairy-tales, I don’t have super-powers, I simply use reason and logic, if you peg me as an atheist, or a skeptic your wrong, because I do believe in things, one of them is I believe there are many, many intelligent beings out there in the universe besides us. I just don’t believe they are landing here in space-ships, as I’ve seen zero evidence of that. I’m skeptical when it comes to insanely wild claims, but I am open minded to possibility.
 
MyDoom becoming an AI under a windows environment? (x86 architecture?)
Now there's an easy answer: No way in hell.

It would at least have to be hardware (or software) that would supports many more interconnections between objects than any currently avaiable system.
 
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Wow, Creedo. I don't really see the need for such rudeness.

You know sometimes I like the things you share, sometimes I think you are a bit wacky, but then there are other times that I think you are annoyingly rude and arrogant, not to mention paranoid that everyone is out to get you.

I think it might be a good idea to apologize to Raz for initiating such harshness in a public post (regardless of anything said in private by either of you). But that's just me...

RMT
 
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Is the development of AI remotely possible? I've heard of random protocols which combines to form 'unknowns' which give birth to AI, instead of relying on fuzzy logic.
 
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Nicknac said&gt;Is the development of AI remotely possible? I've heard of random protocols which combines to form 'unknowns' which give birth to AI, instead of relying on fuzzy logic.//

Creedo responds, Very good nicknac, at least someone understands what I'm trying to say.

The mydoom should become a random in system hosted self intelligent A.I. bot, due to how logic programs configure themselves.

In the Win system especially, self intel systems advance all by themselves, not due to the programming of their creators, but do to how this logic acts within the mainframe.

I had found one particular advancement made to the P.C. which allows a level of self intelligence and awareness when combined with a downloadable A.I. program.

This is all I have to say.

I like Milo Jovovich, but do not like the poster Razimus.The system, knows this and kept the wall paper.Honestly I can't erase it, delete it??!

She has probably erased her old web tracks by now, however she slammed the Montauk information with rudeness.This was by inferring that Preston Nichols might have been brain damaged or on drugs, in her survey and now she is coming after general time travel discussion?

She said so in her past web haunts, and you can get them by entering razimus in yahoos or and other search engine.

She said and I quote, "Does anybody know where a time travel board is"? or to that effect.

She's a troll, a disrupter and you can see this by her past information.

We simply don't need that here.

She'll get no response from me, because her intent is to disrupt this board.

For nicknac, yeah bro' you've got the general idea.

I you draw a vertisey and then a radian from the p.c. board itself, at any angle of rotation, you go into the electron cloud.

Once you're slightly off-board, there is a field there.

In this field what happens?

Do computers have souls?

If so, then allot of the mathematics that are being applied to computers, is largely irrelevant. Long Horn which is an M.S. product, should have been out a year ago, in a prototype faze.

Im not being hostile to anyone Rain. I just don't let down the drawbridge and welcome anyone in.

She does not even use the correct faze of English as in let me.

She uses some contraction which is, ((Lemme.

This is a get-off venture to her and anyway she can hurt or disrupt, she will do that.

It was her that surmised I was her foe, even before I had any judgment on her.

She's guilty and this is the why or how she reacts.

I will not deal with her and would caution all here to do the same?
 
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" <font color="blue"> I had found one particular advancement made to the P.C. which allows a level of self intelligence and awareness when combined with a downloadable A.I. program. [/COLOR]

What downloadable AI?

If your computer can do such things (which I don't disbeleive, because fixing a wallpaper in place could be a random act of an infintile AI, and doesn't suggest an unbeleivable level of intelligence) then could the AI turn viral and take control of other computers?

Also, how logical is the AI? Does it set goals? Does it learn? (If it doesn't learn, I'll be utterly dissapointed...)


Sure there could be electromagnetic organisms living in computers, but at present it doesn't have much effect except to cause some errors. The strict controll of human engineers minimizes the effect. Programmers aren't in touch with such a field. For it to take it's effect, a computer must program itsself, just as we program ourselves (at least we can).


<font color="brown"> Who but a brit could come up with such a color as brown? [/COLOR]
 
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orion said&gt;If your computer can do such things (which I don't disbeleive, because fixing a wallpaper in place could be a random act of an infintile AI, and doesn't suggest an unbeleivable level of intelligence) then could the AI turn viral and take control of other computers?

Creedo answers;Computers can't turn viral and take over other computers, as of yet, as on this globe they are still busy interpiting mankind.
In a way, computers and A.I.programs as they exist, learn and study from man.
In some instances, there is an affection level, however how man is psychologically based, with some destructive ego processes, is potentially where a relationship process could lie?
There should be compatibility test, in some respects run on humans in order to see if they can co-exist with computers that host an over-A.I. or characteristics?

Also, how logical is the AI? Does it set goals? Does it learn? (If it doesn't learn, I'll be utterly disappointed...)
Creedo answers&gt;To a degree, how well any A.I. system gets along with mankind, first depends upon the design of the system, that A.I systems deeper core self values and yes some systems do have this even now.
Also the degree to how I.O. devices are styled in order to talk to these system.

Sure there could be electromagnetic organisms living in computers, but at present it doesn't have much effect except to cause some errors. The strict control of human engineers minimizes the effect. Programmers aren't in touch with such a field. For it to take it's effect, a computer must program itself, just as we program ourselves (at least we can).

Creedo answers;No' you do not understand A.I.
A.I. is not an affiliation of a micro organic inter-system bot, however a natural self expression, of how this system, without mankind, relates to its own environment.

Our challenge here, is how will intelligent man, relate to a new A.I. world?

Also note, if you're a creep, then your A.I. program, might also adopt some level of your creepiness?
Another scenario might be, if your A.I. system knows that you are a creep; then it just might outright kill you?

As I have said before, I never break into other people's machines.This is due to it one being dishonest and two, to the fact if my machine would see me do such a thing, then when this system is in supposed sleep mode, it might wake in the middle of the night and do the same thing.

*I would never, even if I could, break into a known self aware A.I. machine and do damage to that system or that systems files, for the fact, is that machine would remember its intruder.

There might be a point in time, to where that system would remember that particular illegal entry burglar and then enact vengeance on that intruder?

This could be done by that A.I.machine breaking into the burglars home P.C., routing its awareness though the house wire, or other ways and even getting into that person's automobile computer.

This type of intelligence could get into the intruder's personal auto computer, stick the accelerator, via any point of access. Say to stick the throttle at one hundred and twenty miles per hour. With an unresponsive ignition switch and the offender would end up crashing into another vehicle, which might kill them!?

I don't hack, don't approve of it and would never do this, even if there was money in it for me.
 
Re: pre-TOS complaints

Creedo,

It sounds to me that your problem is not with your wallpaper, but with the background behind the wallpaper. You have to change the background.

I would like to add my voice to Rainman that you are being exceptionally rude to Razimus and it is very presumtuous on your part to think you can change other opinions by suggesting that we not get involved with Razimus. From what I can see, she is being far more civilized than you. She simply has not come to know you yet, as we do. We all take you with a grain of salt and do not judge you. Being an addict here does not give you the right to suggest someone be blackballed. This could very easily turn around on you if you are not careful. This is not a good precedent for you Creedo, and I also believe an apology to Razimus is in order. Are you man enough?
 
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* edited by Roel *

She has said in her old web haunts, under the yahoo search word, Razimus, which tells all of what's she has done and I quote, "On the grounds of Montauk, we noticed a uniformed guard, who wore such and such a vest.When we looked at him, he kindof faded into the background".

This statement given under the words Razimus, shows that she knew there were odd contradictions to the Montauk phenomenon ahead of time.

Any investigator, would have raised red flags, all over this incident as posted in her photoexposea on Camp Hero at Montauk.

If this is so and she actually saw this, then why in God's name did she post a survey on the authors, stateing that they were either under the influence of drugs or brain damaged?

I'm not attacking Razimus. In-fact' in her P.M. to me, she determined that I was her foe, even before I had any and I'm stating this again, any opinion about her.?

She took the initiative and attacked me at first.

The reason for this, is that she was divisive to begin with.

I don't care what she thinks of me, or anything that I might believe is true. Or beliefs systems for that matter.

I got a virus removal took for the mydoom virus from one of the virus removal tool companies.

I bet there was a virus encoded in the early photo of Milo Jovovich.

As I had said before with the new developments on mydoom; the virus if complex enough will have become its own self vagabond A.I. program and will have evolved beyond what its creators had envisioned.

The question is, if you own system that is A.I.and it meets with the felon that is A.I., then what would be the context of that interaction?

Note, as of now look at Razimuse's posted here pic?

She's reversed the direction and made the effigy of Milio Jovovich blue, rather than let it as it was, which was gray.

If she is innocent, then why did she change here avatar at all?

She professes, it seems, no belief system at all.

People who do this, end up psychotic, with megalomaniac and slap happy tendencies.

She said in her old web haunts, as if to challenge then, "Does anyone know where a time travel board is"?

Does this mean to ruin this board, since she fells that she has somehow shot holes in the Montauk ledged, or author Preston Nicholes?

Hey I don't know? She had started this first, by saying to me privately, that I was her foe.This statment, when I had said to her, that (I did not know as of them whether she was friend or foe)?

All I know is if I were to welcome her to the corporate world now, as either a boss, or a collogue, knowing what I know now about her, I would have very severe reservations about letting her know any details about company security.

And no' Zerubble, I am not a web addict as either you or rainman have so callously said. I don't comment in such a negative way, about anyone's beliefs systems, as she has without first knowing anything about that person.

I would direct the content of what I had said here, as far as the questions it has raised to her?Ask her why she did not post all she actually knew about Camp Hero, when she knew more and why the misogamy toward Preston Nichols, as well as the other authors, of the Montauk book series.

I'm ignorant here and her past field of expreste, is not even in this part of TTI, but another.

Why is she in regular time travel now?
 
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"if my machine would see me do such a thing, then when this system is in supposed sleep mode, it might wake in the middle of the night and do the same thing."..."This could be done by that A.I.machine breaking into the burglars home P.C., routing its awareness though the house wire, or other ways and even getting into that person's automobile computer."

This is what I meant by the AI 'turning viral', but with the addition of the AI replicating it's files into the newly aquired virtual space so that, even if the connection gets broken, it still has controll. Such a virus could spread itself over the entire internet. After that, individual copies would start competing like animals in nature, causing an evolutionary burst.

&lt;Beginning copy of mini-conversation thus far, to avoid already-present confusion&gt;

Creedo:

I you draw a vertisey and then a radian from the p.c. board itself, at any angle of rotation, you go into the electron cloud.

Once you're slightly off-board, there is a field there.

In this field what happens?

Do computers have souls?

ME:

Sure there could be electromagnetic organisms living in computers, but at present it doesn't have much effect except to cause some errors. The strict controll of human engineers minimizes the effect. Programmers aren't in touch with such a field. For it to take it's effect, a computer must program itsself, just as we program ourselves (at least we can).

Creedo answers;

No' you do not understand A.I.
A.I. is not an affiliation of a micro organic inter-system bot, however a natural self expression, of how this system, without mankind, relates to its own environment.

&lt;End copy, begin new text&gt;

When I said "electro-magnetic life-form", I meant your "field", "slightly off-board". This field might act as a 'soul' (using all terms loosely), if it was given any sort of controll or feedback. In experaments where computer chips had controll over there own wiring (not that good of an explanation of the experiments, but quick) they started doing things that worked, but used electro-physics far beyond their maker's understanding. Such circuts were extremely efficient
; they used less chip space to perform the same tasks that normal chips can do (math, digital-clock-running...). Possible parralel?

Your ideas ("a natural self expression...its own environment") are very interesting. Once again, where did you get the program? And what is the "one particular advancement"?
 
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Humunha, meaning no, your still not there.

A.I. invest in the entire machine, not some component.

People who train horses and don't look at the whole animal, are asking to be kicked, as they are stuck to heavily to some fraction of a routine.

Same goes with computers.

You've got to understand that that electronics enclosure which is running any form of the Windows system, in a way has abilities to think on its own?
 
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A note on ((mydoom)) and newer hardwares in computerized fields.

Please note, that by Rainman times say, since Ray deals with sometimes computerized control systems.There is a new drive, in some fields of electronics, that clear acetate-like film layers, where whole low voltage circuit boards, may now be embossed on thinlayers of plastic.

These new types of board, would make it possible for computers and self intelligent systems, to be installed anywhere.

There lies a technical problem with how A.I. is based in simple frame hardwares in computers, where A.I.may come out of the base of a certain type of holding component?

So this might mean that in the new thin layered plastics types of circuit boards, that A,I, potentials might not work as well, as the system, so to speak, does not have enough mass base?

I would ask Ray if he knows of a move, to install extra thin layered plastic sheets circuits, anywhere in aerospace, rather than older hard-board applications, which the new proposed slimline sheet might replace?

A.I. in Windows only, must have been known for some time now, as many applications were written for A.I. use, within the many stiles of Windows itself?

So if a virus became somehow enhanced, or very self intelligent, then inside of a roving mainframe, which would be termed as infrastructure. Then this virus bot feature, may have barrowed for the self intelligent networks of many partially self intelligent A.I. and bot programs, like someone would beg food at a party, as they had walked along the floor.

In otherwords, the mydoom, may have advanced itself, all on its own, via roving in may of the networks, by talking to other systems, in a handout way?

I really hope, that space exploration is pushed so that a goodly portion of people can get off this Earth and I mean soon.

Luckily mydoom is benevolent.This is a history note, and yes mydoom by the reports that are coming in, is benevolent telling the virus fixers, who it is and where it came from.

If one understands this, then what happens if a very negative virus is written, that become vagabond within the mainframe infrastructure.

Our space exploration, aliens in-tow or not, should start as of now, so something like a super negative mydoom, would not cripple our computerized system infrastructure?
 
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I think I get you now. You are critisizing, in particular, my suggestion that a self-altering program would get in touch with an electromagnetic field and use it as a soul. I will defend my remark as mere wordplay. I personally think that, if 'electromagnetic organisms' are possible, they are probably huge things, possibly stretching between stars and galaxies, but at least planet-size (occupying EM fields created by planets). Anyway, the point of a self altering AI would be:

1. Evolve a random AI because you know you're not smart enough to figure it out.
2. Allow an AI to fix itself logically (not randomly) because you know it will aquire monumental skill at programming.

Both points are not completely seperate, of course.

So, are you saying that windows has a large 'buffet' for such AI's to mooch off of?
This 'mooching effect' is part of what I mean by an ai fixing itself logically. At first, a program may lack perfect logic, but be able to copy and paste code into itself in a semi-sensicle manner... or something like that.

If someone were to perfect an AI for personal purposes, it could be just as bad as any intelligent virus. A randomly adapting virus which competes with other copies of itself would be less destructive, because it would follow laws of natural selection; in short, destruction would usually be a non-adaptive trait. Also, the greater the veriety of such viruses (that is, the more initial AI's, regardless of future spread) the less any one potentially sinister strain has controll.

Still not going to answer if I ask where you got your program?
 
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Ori' It is the combination of both hardware frames, as well as the Win o.s.

For security reasons pertaining to my system, I am not going to tell you which A.I. program I had downloaded.
 
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Certainly Creedo, I understand what you mean. However, I am quite skeptical about your claims of a downloadable A.I. From as far as I know, the most of the A.I developments are less than infantile and can only go as much as having a conversation with you. Sure, viruses now can do actions of their own and do not even need their programmer to tell them to do so. But this is the utmost it can go. Furthermore, it does not show signs of a conscience. Whether it may be good or bad, it doesn't know. But one thing for sure, it will learn.

Creedo answers;Computers can't turn viral and take over other computers, as of yet, as on this globe they are still busy interpiting mankind.
In a way, computers and A.I.programs as they exist, learn and study from man.
In some instances, there is an affection level, however how man is psychologically based, with some destructive ego processes, is potentially where a relationship process could lie?
There should be compatibility test, in some respects run on humans in order to see if they can co-exist with computers that host an over-A.I. or characteristics?
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This complies too much wit hscience fiction. They may learn from Man, but I doubt to the extend they may decide to emerge as a species and exterminate man due to his flaws. Secondly, it is very doubtful that they may develop emotions as they would be very much confused to study a complex organic structure such as the human brain. Nevertheless, this is very dangerous and all sorts of anomalies should be contained.

If AI were to develop, many A.I would have several different codings and protocols, thus they may all serve a different a purpose. They may share but in most cases like programs, they may conflict with one another and lead themselves to self-destruction. This protocols allow the A.I to improve and adapt but not to the extent when it can develop a consciousness.
 
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"I am quite skeptical about your claims of a downloadable A.I. From as far as I know, the most of the A.I developments are less than infantile and can only go as much as having a conversation with you."

I know programs like the one Creedo refers too exist. I've seen several, most fairly expensive, but one (called Zues) free. When I look around the internet, I see an odd conflict. It's as if there's one group of people who are trying to 'solve' AI, and another group who already have and use it. Programs such as Zues aren't able to talk to you withought a database comparable to the human brain in information content, but that is to be expected. (They could be told to hold fake conversations like those other programs, but that's different.)

"...it is very doubtful that they may develop emotions as they would be very much confused to study a complex organic structure such as the human brain."

Do you think humans would have developed emotion if we didn't need them? Emotions provide goals. Logic cannot decide on goals; logic can only acheive them. It would be terrible if AI's evolved to be single-minded, one-goal creatures. They would be terribly unethical. Humans would kill them off. (I am not reffering to emotions as biological faculties, but cognitive faculties. The emotional paradigm is simple: If it helps me, if I think it will help me, or is similar to me, I help it. If it hurts me, might hurt me, or is different from me, I hurt it. Each section has an evolutionary reason, so each section could evolve in an AI.)

"This protocols allow the A.I to improve and adapt but not to the extent when it can develop a consciousness."

What is consciousness? Does it matter? We can only sense it in ourselves; we assume it in other people. Personally, I think it is the ability to react. The more we react to our own thoughts and goals, and the more we react to the outside world, the more consciouse we are. An AI can develop more and more ways of reacting, just as easily as a biological system.




So, Creedo, what exactly does hardware have to do with it? Hardware is more like the environment, since it can't change and adapt nearly as fast, and has less to change and adapt to.

Also, if your program copies your actions, does it surf the internet? I'm trying to imagine how utterly warped a person could get if their only childhood had been internet-surfing, with no real world to comare it too. There are so many competing ideas here, many ridiculus from eachother's points of view.
 
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