My Perception Of Time Travel

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Pacram

Temporal Novice
Hello people of the forums, my names Pacram as you can clearly see from my Tag. I wanted to introduce myself to the community and its loyal members, so hi.

Now onto topic I've been navigating through the hundreds of posts made by members of this forums and generally brushing up on people's understandings or scientific explanations of the Time Travel theory. This is a topic among other scientific and spiritual subjects that has always been deep to my heart. I have often sat back or just been subjected to the wild fantasies that plague my mind. I like to think of myself as a theorist and deep thinker, I quite regularly am found reading scientific articles both past or present written by such inspirational great minds like Stephen Hawkings, Nikolai Tesla and Albert Einstein among others.

More to this topic I've formulated my own theory of 'Time Travel' and how it could be a possibility.

Synopsis:
I believe time travel is possible but in certain circumstances, for starters the relative speed up of time at a specific location around and orbital body such as earth. As already theorized by many scientists when a certain detatched object, in this case a space shuttle is moving at such a velocity around the earth ( Faster Than Light) the relative speed of the object is moving much faster than the rotation of the earth. My mathematics restrict me to further scientific explanation of this possible theory but if you would like to read more this website is quite interesting. Time dilation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , generally known as time dilation. My second theory on time travel is that of travel through Worm holes that could possibly interlink with other systems across the universe or different times. Imagine a piece of paper and a coin traveling around the longest side of that A4 sheet, the distance is say 80 kilometres to complete a lap around the paper. Now if we fold that paper and cut a small hole in it the coin is able to travel a great distance in a short amount of time. I believe this linked worm hole would apply to time travel but in a different light. Ill go by explaining the possibility of a twin or linked atomic partial theory. We see two atoms both completely of the same makeup and coding, these atoms are however separated by a barrier of earlier state. This atom having existed in an earlier state is a gateway to time travel. As we can see evolution and how life progress it is my idea that its possible to recreate a accurate replication of what things where In the past based on predicted twin atoms and how they've changed. This is not technically time travel but more of a similarity of actual events based on scientific recordings of progression. It has been said that memories from our ancestors are passed on through genetic I formation, information the has been stored as new replicated DNA strands. Hopefully that can provided further information to help understand my possible incoherency.

In contrary to popular fanfiction and theory seen in such film as 'The Time Machine' I strongly hold firm that these means of time travel will never be exist, a machine will not bring us to the past or future. I think the only way time travel is possible is by natural means such as Time Dilation. Many people believe that if time travel were possible we would be seeing time travelers from the future. Mother Nature and the mystery of life has a significant way of protecting itself from irreparable permanent harm. By this understanding if time travel was hypothetically possible we would not have an influence on the past or future, we would merely be fluctuations of pure energy. By standees with no ability to interact. This will later help explain my theory of ghosts. Another idea is the alternate reality theoy. ( I shouldn't need to explain that). Now again if time travel was hypothetically correct I do not believe that existence of everything runs on a system of fate or predetermined paths set in the future. By this time travel into the future should not be pleausable.

Moral & Ethical Implications
Finally onto my last point, if time travel is real and somehow invented in the future it will be a future that I do not want to exist in. Time travel would ultimately be the biggest discover possible in our history but be the ultimate distruction of humanity. I would indeed agree that it would be interesting to see the future or the past, it would ultimately destroy our search for knowledge. I can hardly fathom an easy way to describe this, I will simply state that sometimes it's best to live in the dark. The mystery of life will be meaningless and we will have no purpose or need to go on. Every small Aspect to life will be instantly destroyed the day time travel ( hopefully never) is discovered. I will of course agree that the short term scientific findings and benefits would be amazing but it would only be short term. The Social and financial benefits and negatives to this discovery would ultimately cause chaos throughout every civilisation on earth, the rich would use the device to control the poor. Before finishing up I will say this
If I asked you wether you would like to see your demise what would you respond?
 
Sorry about my bad English and grammar, unfortunately i've been forced to write this post on my iPhone.
I know.. The screen is so minuet.
 
Pacram said:
Sorry about my bad English and grammar, unfortunately i've been forced to write this post on my iPhone.
I know.. The screen is so minuet.
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Study of Time Travel slips and shifts show you do not need a Time Machine in order to Time Travel because it is a naturally occurring phenomenon which means it is probably related to Magnetism energy fields.
 
Greetings, Timezoid.
Contextually, I don't know about magnetic energy fields.

Hello, Pacram.

I'll brush-up on time dilation and, perhaps, provided time,
point out a few of your fallacious assumptions--instead,
inasmuch as you mentioned gateways, meditate upon
thresholds simultaneously past, present and incipient
i.e. much as one would pray for generations past, present
and, yet, unborn, harmoniously merge in kindred spirit.
The possibilities are endless.

0 : - ) MGby'all.
 
First of all, none of your "theories" are actually theories. They're inferences based upon your understanding of the subject.
Second, I agree with you that time travel could destroy the human race. It must become a well-kept secret. If the secret gets out, the time machine's inventors must prevent the time machine's creation.
 
Pacram said:
Hello people of the forums, my names Pacram as you can clearly see from my Tag. I wanted to introduce myself to the community and its loyal members, so hi.

This is a topic among other scientific and spiritual subjects that has always been deep to my heart. I have often sat back or just been subjected to the wild fantasies that plague my mind. I like to think of myself as a theorist and deep thinker, I quite regularly am found reading scientific articles both past or present written by such inspirational great minds like Stephen Hawkings, Nikolai Tesla and Albert Einstein among others. [snip for brevity]
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From the Dr. John Baez "Crackpot Index":

5 points for each mention of "Einstien", "Hawkins" or "Feynmann".​
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The man's name is Hawking; Dr. Stephen Hawking. It's not Hawkin, Hawkins or Hawkings. It's Hawking. The other scientist's name, mentioned above, is Nikola Tesla, not Nikolai Tesla. Deep thinkers and theorists generally try to get the names of the famous persons that they have so deeply studied spelled correctly. Not doing so is an indication that they have "studied" the persons in a very peripheral manner, usually only on the alt-sci forums on the Internet and let their wild fantasies occlude the facts posited by the otherwise famous persons.
 
Pacram,

That was a lot to get out of your iPhone.
Especially when some 17 year olds can't do their homework,
I kind of like your enthusiasm.
Besides, you might be onto something with this time dilation thing,
e.g. maybe instead of confusing cause and effect,
you time travelled and experienced them in reverse--
:-? Have you been doing everything backwards since then?
AHHHHHHHHHHHH, what chaos!!!
Am (@)(@) I about to "see [my] demise"?!?

A little polish, maybe some more math,
and you'll be just fine.

0 : - ) MGby.
 
Timezoid said:
Study of Time Travel slips and shifts show you do not need a Time Machine in order to Time Travel because it is a naturally occurring phenomenon which means it is probably related to Magnetism energy fields.
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It is certainly related to magnetism energy fields, as you say. It is precisely this type of thinking that eventually leads to a somewhat practical usage, however limited it may be at this point 2266, the Torus Model is our most reliable and energy-efficient construct. That is not to say that in the future a more reliable model will be created, allowing for a more extensive range. But 253 years into your 'future', a reliable range of about 410 years is the extent of what is possible. Forward 'travel', excepting for return from a project, is still not possible. I think this probably has to do with the future not yet existing unless one is capable of "moving" to the "past", at which point return to the known 'future' is possible, although even that capability is not without it's doubts and concerns of the present being altered in some way, or not being altered in some way; this aspect seems to be dependent on the observer, even with the strict mathematical confines of the Torus model. I can go into more detail if necessary, as the process is quite complex and would require a great deal of explanation, and may not be comprehensive in 2013, but could be worth examining further if interested.
 
I would also like to elaborate further that my understanding of advanced mathematics is practically null. I make no attempt to state my ideas are correct or that I'm the most intelligent user of this forum. I'm a 17 year old college student with a passion in science and interest with the world. Please excuse my lack of knowledge as I'm still learning as is everybody else.
 
Pacram said:
I would also like to elaborate further that my understanding of advanced mathematics is practically null. I make no attempt to state my ideas are correct or that I'm the most intelligent user of this forum. I'm a 17 year old college student with a passion in science and interest with the world. Please excuse my lack of knowledge as I'm still learning as is everybody else.
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By "college" I'm going to assume that you don't mean that in the sense of some European countries where the equivalent word in America is "high school" (9th through 12th grades). Rather, I'm assuming that you are saying that you are a 17 year old university level freshman (13th grade).

A applaud your passion for science. But you need to take a survey level lower division physics class. I say that based on the first sentence of your theory's "Synopsis" section. Let's review:

I believe time travel is possible but in certain circumstances, for starters the relative speed up of time at a specific location around and orbital body such as earth. As already theorized by many scientists when a certain detached object, in this case a space shuttle is moving at such a velocity around the earth ( Faster Than Light) the relative speed of the object is moving much faster than the rotation of the earth.
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Special Relativity (SR) doesn't directly apply to "orbit[ing] bodies." That a body is in orbit assumes a gravitational field and acceleration, both of which are specifically excluded in SR. That's the very reason that it is called SR. It is special because it is a limiting case where gravity is excluded and the bodies under observation are traveling in a "uniform motion of translation" - straight line at a constant speed.

I assure you that the Space Shuttle is not "moving at such a velocity around the earth ( Faster Than Light)." The speed of light is 300,000 km/sec. The gravitational escape velocity for Earth is 11.2 km/sec. That's 26,700+ times Earth's escape velocity. The Shuttle would zip past Earth as if it wasn't there. This is not to mention that the laws of physics clearly state that the Space Shuttle can't be accelerated to, let alone beyond, the speed of light. This is not just scientific speculation. The effects postulated by SR have been demonstrated experimentally thousands of times every day for almost a century. WRT "stationary" observers accelerated clocks do slow down, rulers to shrink, mass does increase and inertia also increases - and they increase at the precise rates as stated in the mathematics of SR.

Last, if you are serious about physical science then you have to become serious about higher level mathematics. There is no substitute for the math. It is the language of physical science. You don't want another Baez Crackpot Index item tossed on your plate.

10 points for each statement along the lines of "I'm not good at math, but my theory is conceptually right, so all I need is for someone to express it in terms of equations".​
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If you don't understand the math you don't understand your theory (and in all likelihood your theory makes no sense).
 
I was taking a course in Mathematical Methods and Advanced Math but I felt I was unable to achieve that at the current time, my math is terrible. And I understand the concepts behind some science just not the mathematical formulas that are attached to these. I will in the future reassess my goals and try again for mathematics.
 
Te-he.

You're a great sport, Pacram.
My doing well in math courses
required that I spend, at least,
an hour every day solving math
problems.

Best wishes to you.
 
Why thankyou my master mathematician. I joined this forum mainly to enlighten myself and discuss this area of science. However I consider this to be a great learning opportunity and wish to learn as much as possible about science. So I thankyou for your knowledge, I hope in later posts my understanding and ability to assert my thought consicely with mathematical evidence is well.. Evident.
 
lledbetter2266 said:
But 253 years into your 'future', a reliable range of about 410 years is the extent of what is possible. Forward 'travel', excepting for return from a project, is still not possible. I think this probably has to do with the future not yet existing unless one is capable of "moving" to the "past", at which point return to the known 'future' is possible, although even that capability is not without it's doubts and concerns of the present being altered in some way, or not being altered in some way; this aspect seems to be dependent on the observer, even with the strict mathematical confines of the Torus model. I can go into more detail if necessary, as the process is quite complex and would require a great deal of explanation, and may not be comprehensive in 2013, but could be worth examining further if interested.
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LLedbetter2266, we both KNOW that you are no time traveller. All this talk about 253 years into the future etc is RUBBISH. If you persist in this pretence any longer, I will PUBLISH all e-mail communication between the both of us, which will indeed EXPOSE your FANTASIST stories. You have been warned.
 
Pacram,

"Master" is an overstatement.
My use for mathematics is limited to design.
Just the same, I look forward to reading your posts.
 
I worry about the law of conservation of matter/energy. Suppose that there is a finite amount of matter/energy in the universe. Every plank second that matter/energy moves into the next time dimension just like when we walk we move into the next physical dimension. Since the law of conservation of matter/energy states matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed we are composed of the same matter/energy that existed in the previous time dimension just like when you walk into the next physical dimension you no longer exist in the previous physical dimension. The matter/energy does not exist in the previous time dimension any longer just like you no longer exist behind yourself in the previous physical dimension. So the past matter/energy is now, as well as the future matter/energy is now. The matter/energy that will eventually exist in the next time dimension is not there yet, until it is. And we have to wait for that.
Even if the action in a fast spaceship is slowed the matter/energy is still with us and not moving into the next time dimension until we do, not moving into the future. Time is not relative, activity is. Matter must use more energy to move against inertia that close to the speed of light. More energy to move around:clocks to tick, radioactive decay to occur. Rockets take more energy to react and produce thrust; therefore, more difficult to increase velocity, et-cetera closer to the speed of light.
 
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