JT is fake, period.

[Razimus]

I'm going to make 1 last video in January of 2013, I won't have time to write a script (As I have no incentive to do so) so I will just talk off the top of my head, but I will reveal one last thing, it'll be my last JT vid, because there will be no more to tell from my side, excepting the impossible event that JT actually admits I'm right, I would know, but the fans, I wonder if they would even believe his confession if he still had the original home-made time-travel-box prop, so much time has gone by it's possible he's destroyed it, dismantled it, or from the perspective of fans, had the time to make an 'exact replica' of the prop. I'm going to release info in my January video that no one knows, no one except for myself and the solitary author behind JT himself. January isn't that far away. It'll be on my hoaxhunter channel.

 

[Skarpz]

Can't wait, man.

 

[titorite]

I'm going to make 1 last video in January of 2013, I won't have time to write a script (As I have no incentive to do so) so I will just talk off the top of my head, but I will reveal one last thing, it'll be my last JT vid, because there will be no more to tell from my side, excepting the impossible event that JT actually admits I'm right, I would know, but the fans, I wonder if they would even believe his confession if he still had the original home-made time-travel-box prop, so much time has gone by it's possible he's destroyed it, dismantled it, or from the perspective of fans, had the time to make an 'exact replica' of the prop. I'm going to release info in my January video that no one knows, no one except for myself and the solitary author behind JT himself. January isn't that far away. It'll be on my hoaxhunter channel.

At least you won't be wasting your time trying to get laid or frivolously enjoying the little things life has to offer.

 

[Razimus]

@titorite

I coined the term "titorite" in 2003/4, on anomalies.net I believe, surprised it stuck.

No preparation needed for this one, I'm just gonna chill til it's January and quickly record & upload a video. It's information that you've never heard, even the guy behind JT himself will find this information 'new', but he will connect the dots, my guess is he stays in hiding as being JT isn't his day job, and it doesn't pay anymore so why bother.

 

[servantx]

@titorite

I coined the term "titorite" in 2003/4, on anomalies.net I believe, surprised it stuck.

No preparation needed for this one, I'm just gonna chill til it's January and quickly record & upload a video. It's information that you've never heard, even the guy behind JT himself will find this information 'new', but he will connect the dots, my guess is he stays in hiding as being JT isn't his day job, and it doesn't pay anymore so why bother.

Razimus, would you mind if I ask a personal question?

Why are you so obsessed with John Titor that you would spend hugemongous amount of hours of your precious time to produce these videos, one after another, years after years, over and over again to prove the John Titor story is fake? Isn't that one video is enough?

You could start a whole new business or learn a new language with those time you have spend to research for something that you know deep in your heart that it is a fake story which you know long, long time ago as you have said over the years.

Why do you still brother to do it again as you think you understand that it is all fake? What is in this John Titor story that make you so interested to spend more and more hours, days after days, months after months of your precious life to re-proof over 10 times on something that you have proven is fake, in multiple message boards and website and YouTube videos?

My point is: what is the point of making these videos? Didn't you do it and make your point clear ages ago?

 

[Darby]

Razimus, would you mind if I ask a personal question?

Why are you so obsessed with John Titor that you would spend hugemongous amount of hours of your precious time to produce these videos, one after another, years after years, over and over again to prove the John Titor story is fake? Isn't that one video is enough?

You could start a whole new business or learn a new language with those time you have spend to research for something that you know deep in your heart that it is a fake story which you know long, long time ago as you have said over the years.

Why do you still brother to do it again as you think you understand that it is all fake? What is in this John Titor story that make you so interested to spend more and more hours, days after days, months after months of your precious life to re-proof over 10 times on something that you have proven is fake, in multiple message boards and website and YouTube videos?

My point is: what is the point of making these videos? Didn't you do it and make your point clear ages ago?

Servantx,

The problem that I've always had with Raz is this:

Of course, he's always been correct in as much as concluding that the the Titor Saga Saga is fiction. However his analysis has been somewhere between self-serving amateur hour online video and downright comedic. A few years ago when he first started doing his videos he accused every person who ever posted on the original Titor threads "Time Travel Paradoxes" and "I am from 2036" of being Titor or Group Titor co-conspirators for no other reason than they only posted a few times. Most of those people only posted a few times because Titor was a very minor topic and they quickly became bored. This was especially true on Anomalies.net. Anomalies was never really a "time travel" site. The site was, and still is, a Marz Barz/UFO Conspiracy site that was the host site for Richard C. Hoagland's "Mission Enterprise" and his fruitbat theories. The post count there from 2001 to 2003 was about 5-1 Marz Barz vs. time travel. As I recall, it was something on the order of 35,000 posts on the TT forum and 175,000 posts on the Marz Barz/Enterprise Mission forum from 1999 to 2008. Titor only became a topic there because Art Bell shut down "Post-2-Post" and we copied the P2P threads there and continued the conversation. Titor was never a major topic there, here or on Post-2-Post until he had been gone for almost two years. Sorry, Raz, but I (with Pamela's unwilling assistance) kept the topic alive for the sole reason of generating traffic on Anomalies.net. The JTF inherited the benefit when they did the Internet spam-blitz in August 2003. That was no problem for me on Anomalies because, in the mean time, we split the sheets with Hoagland and he went elsewhere (thank God). But we had build a site that no longer depended on Hoagland for hit counts. It didn't last forever but for a time it was successful as a forum.

We still tend to forget that almost half of "Titor's" posts here were not made by TTO. They were made by Pamela, submitted as copies of emails between herself and TTO. He only made about 60 posts here. The rest we take on faith that Pamela posted his words verbatim.

Once Raz posted his "theory" several of the people that he accused of being co-conspirators, who had not posted on Anomalies for almost a decade, came out and told him he was nuts. He simply didn't consider the obvious fact, when taken in its proper context, that the topic of John Titor, in 2001, was just not at all important to anyone with the exception of the dozen or so people who regularly posted on the two main threads.

It's no secret that I long ago concluded that Titor was nothing more than an experiment in Internet entertainment delivery. In that I agree with Raz. But given 10,000 darts and 3 meters I'm pretty sure that a blind 5 year old could hit the dart board 30% of the time if pointed in the right direction and told to throw the dart. So Raz's conspiracy theory, though it comes to the correct conclusion - Titor is fiction, is nothing more than 3,000 darts hitting the blind child's target.

 

[titorite]

@titorite

I coined the term "titorite" in 2003/4, on anomalies.net I believe, surprised it stuck.

No preparation needed for this one, I'm just gonna chill til it's January and quickly record & upload a video. It's information that you've never heard, even the guy behind JT himself will find this information 'new', but he will connect the dots, my guess is he stays in hiding as being JT isn't his day job, and it doesn't pay anymore so why bother.

Stop trying to take credit for everything Titor related sheesh you sound like a spoiled fool trying to say you coined the term "titorite" .. .... Honestly you're like eric cartman but not as entertaining. And this hoax hunter crap.... OMG is this the BEST hoax you can think to try and bust? You may wanna do that with out resorting to lies and misconstrued interviews if you wish to do any of this with any credibility.

 

[gnostic]

I had actually witnessed—in late July of 2005—the event while it was happening. The only thing I’m selling is my testimony to the validity of time travel: Having already occurred on this world line; is still occurring; and in all probability will occur again in our near future.

John Titor’s insignia is an actual illustrative representation of the event itself if you were to observe it while it was happening. Those outlines of concentric circles are actually present and visibly distinctive within a shimmering/rippling distortion that fans outward from a central source hugging the earth. These concentric circles are being generated at a rate of one per second. They form and progress in size and influence, moving outward—like inflating a two dimensional outline of a balloon—reaching a height where they would appear as becoming very heavy then collapsing over and falling back to earth at a slight angle, avoiding the earth bound source. The event itself is not instantaneous on the arrival of a world line. I watched it materializing for what seemed to be 15 to 20 minutes. This rough estimation of time doesn’t include the point in time that it began.

Many of you view John Titor and his message of time travel as nothing more then a fictitious hoax perpetrated by an individual with a great story to tell. I too, would probably be one among you if I hadn’t witnessed and become cognizant to the reality of time travel—world line travel—through the experiences I had back in 2005. But these experiences are mine alone, and not yours.

One more thing, they do travel in large vehicles with heavily tinted windows.



Don’t forget to fill your gas can.

Kind regards,
Gnostic

 

[Einstein]

I had actually witnessed—in late July of 2005—the event while it was happening. The only thing I’m selling is my testimony to the validity of time travel: Having already occurred on this world line; is still occurring; and in all probability will occur again in our near future.

John Titor’s insignia is an actual illustrative representation of the event itself if you were to observe it while it was happening. Those outlines of concentric circles are actually present and visibly distinctive within a shimmering/rippling distortion that fans outward from a central source hugging the earth. These concentric circles are being generated at a rate of one per second. They form and progress in size and influence, moving outward—like inflating a two dimensional outline of a balloon—reaching a height where they would appear as becoming very heavy then collapsing over and falling back to earth at a slight angle, avoiding the earth bound source. The event itself is not instantaneous on the arrival of a world line. I watched it materializing for what seemed to be 15 to 20 minutes. This rough estimation of time doesn’t include the point in time that it began.

Many of you view John Titor and his message of time travel as nothing more then a fictitious hoax perpetrated by an individual with a great story to tell. I too, would probably be one among you if I hadn’t witnessed and become cognizant to the reality of time travel—world line travel—through the experiences I had back in 2005. But these experiences are mine alone, and not yours.

One more thing, they do travel in large vehicles with heavily tinted windows.



Don’t forget to fill your gas can.

Kind regards,
Gnostic

Whatever you saw had no relation at all to the fictional time travel story told by John Titor. I found on obvious flaw in the laser photo provide by John that just makes the whole story a complete hoax. The path of a light beam can be bent by gravity just like the trajectory of a bullet. John specifically stated his C204 time distortion unit only puts out a 2 gee gravity field. So I calculated out just how much curvature a beam of light would experience under the influence of a 2 gee gravity field. If the beam length was estimated to be visually perceived as 9 miles, then the amount of deflection by a 2 gee gravity field would be less than 1 millionth of an inch. Visually that amount of deflection would be undetectable to the human eye. That laser beam photo should show a light beam as straight as an arrow. So a real factual math verification does not verify the laser photo. It nullifies it. Oh, and in case your interested in why I chose 9 miles as the beam length? Well, you can choose any length less than that. And with less distance for the laser beam to travel, there will be even less deflection of the beam by 2 gees of gravity. So how did John get his laser beam to bend as depicted? It's rumored that a fiber optic cable was attached to the output end of a laser pointer.

 

[titorite]

Enstien all those words you just said are based on NOTHING.. You can not know because you were not their .. Stop opperating from the base of speculations.....


Take him at his word or do not but do not pronounce what he did and did not see as though you yourself were a witness to it....


And your whole Laser light thing just needs to be tossed out the window because as it has been explained to you time and again, you can not know the distances involved or the effects of machines that you are not present around.

If his story was so darn fake you flaws you think you isolate are no more real than his fake story.

 

[Einstein]

Titorite

I stated the facts about our universe. So I do know they are fact. There is no doubt in my mind at all. Perhaps if you would educate yourself about the situation, then possibly you would see the picture from a factual point of view.

 

[Darby]

einstein,

Posted by John Titor on 02-09-2001 02:02 PM

For all of you interested in coming back with me to 2036, perhaps we should discuss the trip. Please be aware, the displacement unit moves through time, not space. First, we will be driving the current vehicle (Chevy truck) with the displacement unit in it to Tampa Florida. From there, we will go back to my arrival date on this worldline. Then we will have to drive to Minnesota, sell the current vehicle and get another one that would have been around in 1975. We will then move the displacement unit (500 lbs or so) into the new vehicle and go back to 1975. Once in 1975, we’ll drive back to Tampa and make the final hop to 2036. If you’d like to stay in 1975, you’re welcome to do that. It can also get quite hot and stuffy during the trip and you’ll be subjected to a 1.5 to 2 G force the entire time. You’ll also need some sort of a re-breather system or oxygen supply.

While the "1.5 to 2 G force" reference is somewhat vague we have always taken that to mean the accelerating force on the entire vehicle (even though he clearly said it remains stationary - whatever the hell that means when compared to traveling through time and into other universes).

But the laser reference is interesting - as we have also always believed.

The surface ravity of the sun is ~274 g (Earth). Photons skimming the limb of the sun are deflected through 1.7 seconds of arc. In Titor's laser photo the laser is curved through something on the order of 90 degrees. Arguably it could be less because the photo is purposely taken in the dark to give a contrast for the smoke and laser beam and maybe to disguise the Cigar Smoking Man (and Larry Haber is a true cigar afficionado - but that's irrelevent to this post).

So if you take the proportion the gravitational field at the laser would have to be on the order of a bit over 52 million g's. Something tells me that Cigar Smoking Man would have become Spaghetti Man for a microsecond followed by becoming Subatomic Particle Man, along with his Time Travel 'Vette and quite a lot of Disneyworld. If someone wants to argue that the laser is only bent 30 degrees then the result is no better. The field would "only" be ~17 million g.

But there's more to this particular post than immediately meets the eye.

Recall that his rules forbade disclosure of certain information. Can't screw up the "timeline" , right? In his post, however, he offers to take people to 1975 and drop them off if that's what they desire. That rule seems to have either been forgotten or it was tossed out the window.

Recall his discussion with me about the mass of his black holes. Electron sized only requires the mass of a "small mountain", not a slice of the Earth. Wrong, but OK, let's go with a small mountain. So how does a small mountain (two in fact - there are two, not one, black holes in the gadget) weigh in at 500 lbs? Magic or anti-gravity?

 

[Einstein]

Darby

I had to look that up on the surface gravity of the sun. 274 m/sec^2 . If I divide that by 9.8 m/sec^2 (one Earth gee), I get a ratio of 27.9 times the gravity here on Earth. I used the proportional method too. 90 degrees divided by 1.7 degrees gives a proportional ratio of 52.9 . So if 1.7 degrees of arc occurs with 27.9 gees on the sun, then 90 degrees of arc would require a sun gravity strength of 1475.9 gees. That is the value I calculate to cause a laser beam to deflect as depicted in JT's laser pic. It's not in the millions of gees, but I doubt very seriously that the cells in a human body would retain their structure. Probably turn to a puddle of mush very rapidly.

And then the other problem with a gee force in this range is: How come all the other light reflecting back to the camera from the interior parts of the car is not distorted too? The whole image should be an unintelligible blur. But this angle of attack on the story requires a humungous gravity field.

In the story as you quoted above, John says no more than 2 gees of gravity force is developed by his gadget. So I decided to stick to the story and calculate the amount of laser beam deflection if exposed to a 2 gee force. It is a known fact that gravity bends light. And given enough distance of travel through a gee field, that laser beam could be deflected up to 90 degrees. Distance is the key. The less the distance that the laser beam travels, the less the amount of deflection that will occur.

Originally I calculated the amount of deflection of the laser beam over a distance of 9 miles. The value I got using a 10 digit calculator was about 3/4 of a millionth of an inch of deflection on the laser beam. That calculator wont work if I choose 4 feet as the distance. But 4 feet is a more reasonable estimate on the beam length, considering that the beam was made visible by the cigar smoke. So I'm going to use a scientific calculator to calculate the beam deflection over 4 feet of travel under the influence of a 2 gee gravity field. The formula is "d = .5at^2" for calculating the amount of distance the laser beam will deflect. The gee force is 32 feet/sec^2. To calculate the time it takes for the laser beam to travel over 4 feet, just divide 4 feet by 186,282 miles/sec. Change the miles/sec to feet/sec by multiplying 186,282 and 5280 together. Which comes out to 983,568,960 feet light will travel in one second. Dividing 4 feet by 983,568,960 feet/sec gives a time of .000,000,004,066 seconds. Multiplying that result by itself gives the required t^2 for plugging into the formula. I get .000,000,000,000,000,016,539 sec^2 . The amount of beam deflection with the above values comes out to .000,000,000,000,000,264 feet. Or the value in inches would be .000,000,000,000,003,175 inches of deflection (multiply feet by 12 to get inches). In comparison, the approximate width of an atom is .000,000,003,937 . So the amount of beam deflection over 4 feet is less than one millionth the width of an atom. This would not be detectable to the human eye. The photo should be depicting a laser beam as straight as an arrow. But it doesn't, which makes it a deceptive lie to those uneducated about the physical rules our universe operates under.

Now Titorite's argument is that there is no way I can know how far that laser beam has traveled. But it makes no difference because any reasonable calculated distance will show that the laser beam will still appear to the human eye as being straight as an arrow. Even though I originally calculated 9 miles as the distance, I doubt very seriously that anyone could blow smoke that far to illuminate the laser beam. So 9 miles is not a reasonable distance to choose, even though at that distance the laser beam would still appear to be as straight as an arrow to the human eye.

So the math definitively states as FACT that a laser beam can not be deflected as depicted in the picture under the influence of a 2 gee gravity field.

Now I know you like to attack the story based on what we know about black holes. But what we know about them is entirely theoretical. No real facts yet. I seriously doubt black holes are real. So to me, Titor's gadget operates on a fictional mathematical concept. No real support for a story if you are using fiction as the foundation for its credibility.

 

[servantx]

Laser beam can be deflected, but not through gravity field (unless you have a real black hole)

...in April this year (2012), Mordechai Segev and colleagues at the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology derived a set of general solutions to Maxwell's equations showing that a non-diffracting non-paraxial beam should exist and that it should accelerate in a circle. A month later, two teams produced such beams in the lab – each bending light a 60-degree arc. One team was led by Xiang Zhang of the University of California, Berkeley in the US and the other by John Dudley of the University of Franche-Comte in France.

Source:
Light bends itself round corners - physicsworld.com

 

[Darby]

Darby

I had to look that up on the surface gravity of the sun. 274 m/sec^2 . If I divide that by 9.8 m/sec^2 (one Earth gee), I get a ratio of 27.9 times the gravity here on Earth. I used the proportional method too. 90 degrees divided by 1.7 degrees gives a proportional ratio of 52.9 . So if 1.7 degrees of arc occurs with 27.9 gees on the sun, then 90 degrees of arc would require a sun gravity strength of 1475.9 gees. That is the value I calculate to cause a laser beam to deflect as depicted in JT's laser pic. It's not in the millions of gees, but I doubt very seriously that the cells in a human body would retain their structure. Probably turn to a puddle of mush very rapidly.

Thanks for checking my math. Dumb error. It helps to include decimal points...and then recheck your math. I know that the sun SG is approx 30 G. Doh.

Anyway, it's not 1.7 degrees. It's 1.7 seconds of arc. 90 degrees is 324,000 seconds so the ratio is 190,588:1. Multiply that by the 27.9 and it's ~5.3 million G, not 52 to 53 million G.

The rest of your logic is correct and stated with the same basic assumptions that I made. I did, however, make the (false but intentional) assumption that the situation can be stated in pre-General Relativistic weak field classical physics. Obviously at 5 million G there will be "some" relativistic effects as well as quantum effects - like virtual particle-antiparticle pairs popping into reality due to the vast amount of energy present in a 5 million G field.

 

[Einstein]

Laser beam can be deflected, but not through gravity field (unless you have a real black hole)

Source:
Light bends itself round corners - physicsworld.com

That was an interesting read. I had a hard time trying to comprehend how a laser beam could bend itself. But comprehension became clear with the following:

The researchers did not bend the laser beam as a whole but rather the high-intensity regions within it.

So what I see is that through interference patterns within a laser beam they were making sections of the beam on one side more pronounced. So the laser beam didn't actually bend as the article would lead one to believe.

This kind of looks more like 3D holography to me.

 

[Einstein]

Darby

Anyway, it's not 1.7 degrees. It's 1.7 seconds of arc. 90 degrees is 324,000 seconds so the ratio is 190,588:1. Multiply that by the 27.9 and it's ~5.3 million G, not 52 to 53 million G.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I was unfamiliar with the terminology.

But there is something else using that proportion method that would come into play. We calculated the force of gravity for a light beam traveling past the surface of the sun. The sun is a million miles across. So a light beam would have to travel a million miles through a 5.3 million gee field to bend 90 degrees. If you cut the travel distance down to 4 feet, the gees have to go up.

I would probably use the second method I used to calculate the gee force present. If 2 gees make the light beam deflect by 1 millionth the width of an atom, then a proportional amount of gravity would be needed to deflect it by let's say 12 inches over the four foot travel time. But let's use the formula instead. "d = .5at^2" Rearranged the formula solving for "a" instead "a = d/.5t^2" . I already posted the time light takes to travel 4 feet in an above post. The distance will be one foot divided by 32 to get the answer in gees. The answer I get to bend a light beam as depicted in the laser picture is: 3,778,937,106,000,000 gees. I wouldn't be surprised to find out if that value is actually high enough to be inside a black holes event horizon. LOL...

 

[servantx]

This is what Larry Haber looks like, the person who got you all hooked for countless hours in threads about him throughout the past few years/decades. Remember his look and his voice.



Remember, this video was uploaded on 7th Jan 2007. How many years did people waste their time on the net discussing about him?

Seriously, why do people love to create prank/hoax profiles for this John Titor? And why do the other group who would do whatever they can to debunk and stalk Larry Haber and Kate for years to verify their disbelieves in this Titor saga story?

LinkedIn profiles - There are 19 John Titors in LinkedIn, only 2 of them are fun to read.

John Titor

Reseach Supervisor at General Electric
Jacksonville, Florida Area
Electrical/Electronic Manufacturing
John Titor | LinkedIn


John Titor

Time Traveler_00
Greater New York City Area
Computer Software
John Titor | LinkedIn

 

[Darby]

Darby



Thanks for clearing that up for me. I was unfamiliar with the terminology.

The sun is a million miles across. So a light beam would have to travel a million miles through a 5.3 million gee field to bend 90 degrees. If you cut the travel distance down to 4 feet, the gees have to go up.

...

You're welcome.

In terms of GR the light beam isn't actually deflected at all (going back to my "false" assumptions in the original post). In GR light always travels along a geodesic path - a straight line. If the light appears from our POV to be deflected then spacetime itself is curved and the most direct (straight) path is along what we perceive as an arc.

So in our experiment to validate GR (Eddington, 1919) we observe the light "bending" 1.7 sec of arc during the solar eclipse. Actually what we observed was that the stars in the background just at the very limb of the sun's surface were displaced "up" 1.7 sec of arc from where they are normally observed. They should have been hidden behind the sun just below the horizon but because the spacetime curvature turned the photons' paths "down a bit the light appeared to be coming from just above the horizon.

But all that aside, you're correct. The "density" of the field depicted in the Cigar Smoking Man with Laser photos is for all practicle purposes "infinitely" stronger than the sun's surface gravity. As I said in the previous post, trying to figure out the actual implications of such a field using our basic knowledge of physics just isn't sufficient. The photo simply does not show what would actually be transpiring in such a field (nor could a camera that close to the event even take a photo of it - and that assumes that the camera and photographer would have the slightest chance of surviving the forces involved).

You know that it's no secret that I enjoy picking apart Titor's Saga. Obviously I do. That doesn't mean that I believe that Boomer was a threat to existence, social stability, a fraud, crook, liar or any other such nonsense. Razimus and I are on the same page when it comes to stating that Titor's Saga is pure fiction. We're on entirely different planets when it comes to rabid conspiracy theory BS. The posts have whiled away quite a few hours over the past decade and forced me to really hit the books and re-study physics. I've benefitted from the experience. I hope that many others have done so as well.

And if Larry's brother or whomever is the actual client behind the JTF makes a buck or two (or a million bucks) off of the Saga good for him/her/them. I've been entertained.

 

[gnostic]

Those concentric circles I referred to were dark or black in color. They were not beams of light being bent into concentric circles.

Kindly,
Gnostic

Don’t forget to fill your gas can.