John Titor Confusion

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tezlon

Temporal Novice
Hello, I have a read over all of the information, watched youtube videos and i am confused at one point that was discussed regarding John Titor. Now keep in mind, i am a firm believer of time travel, but i am confused about John coming back to take care of his family...

Now it was said John 's future is an alternate future than ours...if i am wrong on that account it is what i've read and heard on an interview with the webmaster of www.johntitor.com
Now with that said...if his future was an alternate future as ours...he mentioned he came back to give his family information, and possibly save them from something possibly happening in the future...now if he had an alternate future than ours...then why would he warn them of anything or make sure they are ok...because him doing exactly creates an alternate time line different from the one he will eventually return to. If the Theory exists, doesn't it mean his intervention in our time line creates yet another Alternate time line from the point he intervened with his family..which would mean his younger self may never become a time traveler...

at any rate can someone give me some insight on this confusion???
 
tezlon,

Now with that said...if his future was an alternate future as ours...he mentioned he came back to give his family information, and possibly save them from something possibly happening in the future...now if he had an alternate future than ours...then why would he warn them of anything or make sure they are ok...because him doing exactly creates an alternate time line different from the one he will eventually return to.
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We've discussed this issue over the years at length.

Titor said that the Everett-Wheeler-Graham model of quantum mechanics is the correct interpretation. The implication is that the Psi(q) function is not only the most complete description of the system under observation that can possibly be made (and that much is widely accepted as being true) but that every permutation of the Psi(q) function is played out in an alternate universe (and this last portion is not so generally accepted as being true). In other words an infinite number of alternative outcomes is played out in an infinite number of alternate universes.

That makes warning his alternate parents in one particular world irrelevent. That warning is already contained in the infinite possibilities of the Psi(q) function - if you believe the Titor Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics as stated in his various posts.

And you're absolutely correct. The "observation" event of the warning results in another set of alternate worlds and outcomes.

I don't really want yet another confrontation with Pamela or any of the other Believers but the real implication of Titor's Interpretation boldly states that while on this world they hang onto any information and dutifully support Titor there are an infinite number of alternate worlds where they turn on him; he turns on his own government; turns on his family, etc. and on infinitely.

The pop-sci view of quantum mechanics takes self determinism into the world of absolute non-determinism. That one happens to be in a world where they are perceived as being the "good guy", in this view of QM, is simply a random event. They had no control over their actions. The Psi(q) function determined their actions for them. Quantum mechanics is a bit more complex than that, not to mention that The Many Worlds Interpretation of QM is not generally accepted even though Everett's PhD dissertation is not rejected. Most physicists believe that we are missing some links in the interpretation that will put determinism back into the mix. But that was not how Titor stated the situation.
 
I am not fully convinced that John Titor is a soldier from the future. The pics of the inside of his vehicle & computers used looks too retro. What he describes as the future sounds too much like the way impoverished foreign countries live. If there's any truth to his time travel, he could of simply came from a parallel earth and not know it. Since new time travelers have popped up in the forums, with supposed truths, I'm bound to think most or- all of them are just fakes.
People who like roleplaying so much, that they like to dream up nonsense and laugh later bout how they got so many believing in such.
 
This is not the point...

As the recent Timeline Change, there is a new future...

LOLOL!!!
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Still selling that snake oil, recall? I am amazed that you are still finding buyers, what with your failure in all your gloom and doom predictions so far.

RMT
 
Still selling that snake oil, recall? I am amazed that you are still finding buyers, what with your failure in all your gloom and doom predictions so far.

RMT
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You Raydemort
still trapped in <font color="red"> Tree o`Life [/COLOR] *rap...


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You're so cute when you're flustered, recall. Someone from another timeline was calling... they wanted their catch phrase back!

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RMT
 
Titor was confused. He stated that what he talked about was his parrallel universe, although he did state that he thought it would be similiar here since it seemed probable. He stated that any individual can change the worldline and that he could only do as much or less as anyone else. There were no big goings-on about finding a time traveller (Lord knows we already have enough in this worldline as it is - with thinking on the future with their person) or someone claiming to be a time-traveller but that he needed a mechanical device and not just virtual reality (imagination) to actually time-travel.

That given if you learn enough and have knowledge enough, that anyone can surmise or think that they can be able to give a probability percentage to anyone on how that person will act in the future. Actually this is nothing new and it is done nowadays as people tend (but not all the time) to slot people because of some reason they deem necessary (or not.) It is done by Police with anyone to ascertain if they are a probable suspect or deemed slotted to perhaps break the law - that has other people concerned that it is they who should be slotted and deemed probable as breaking the law.

You see, there are some people who think they have more Rights and Freedom depending on where they are placed with their status symbol in a society. If everyone follows the Constitution though, that is not to be allowed. So the talk continues, and Titor stated he was leaving this worldline to return to his own or a similiar one, while he stated that he thought that this worldline was also similiar to his original worldline and that we could not avoid the future events that he stated they had on his worldline.

The years may have been wrong, but it still may be a possibility. This possibility has been going on for many a year though, so it is bound to bring up just about every subject matter in the book of all the subject matter that can be brought up as a course of study as with any society that has a Civilization.

A Civilization!
Now there is always something there to talk about.

But talk is cheap and most of the time, the rest of us just put up with it. Thus, anyone should not be confused and neither should you be confused.

There, you have it as in a Nutshell, or a Zoo, or a Circus, that is Civilization across the entire Globe.

Wherever you go, there you are!
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Wherever you go, there you are!
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Ahhhh, Buckaroo Banzai. I never get tired of watching that movie... although it is better when I have my old college buddies around me drinking beer.


RMT
 
Ahhhh, Buckaroo Banzai. I never get tired of watching that movie... although it is better when I have my old college buddies around me drinking beer.

RMT
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And you Raydemort played <font color="red"> Dr. Emilio Lizardo [/COLOR] Character...

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You're right. Those pics were been debunked years ago. For example, one person enhanced the interior view and showed that the Corvette window next to the unit was visible without distortion. The light from that window passed through a supposed field that was strong enough to bend a laser beam.

There was no laser beam--it was a luminescent rod.

My personal opinion, though I can't validate it, is that the supposed time machine is actually a hoked up U.S. Army Field Radio. McDill AFB, where Titor supposedly operated from is across a finger of Tampa Bay from Tampa International Airport, and about a hour's drive or less from Celebration (FL) which seems to be "the cave of the beast." The Celebration ad agency probably did the pictures and diagrams.

All in all, there were (and are, no doubt)a number of persons involved--don't assume that a hoax has only one or two principal figures.

This and the circumstance that the entire thing seems to be pointless leads me to believe that what we have is a "Black Op," by some governmental agency with too much money to spend.

This brings us to the fascinating question involving the owner of this site (Raul) the ever present Darby, and of course, the lady Pamela who are all curiously involved in some unknown way.
 
Re: Schrodinger\'s cat

mr. recall if they have a problem understanding alternative timelines tell them to look up Schrödinger's cat.
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O.K.

:oops:



Schrödinger's cat is a famous illustration of the principle in quantum theory of superposition , proposed by Erwin Schrödinger in 1935. Schrödinger's cat serves to demonstrate the apparent conflict between what quantum theory tells us is true about the nature and behavior of matter on the microscopic level and what we observe to be true about the nature and behavior of matter on the macroscopic level.

Here's Schrödinger's (theoretical) experiment: We place a living cat into a steel chamber, along with a device containing a vial of hydrocyanic acid. There is, in the chamber, a very small amount of a radioactive substance. If even a single atom of the substance decays during the test period, a relay mechanism will trip a hammer, which will, in turn, break the vial and kill the cat. The observer cannot know whether or not an atom of the substance has decayed, and consequently, cannot know whether the vial has been broken, the hydrocyanic acid released, and the cat killed. Since we cannot know, the cat is both dead and alive according to quantum law, in a superposition of states. It is only when we break open the box and learn the condition of the cat that the superposition is lost, and the cat becomes one or the other (dead or alive). This situation is sometimes called quantum indeterminacy or the observer's paradox : the observation or measurement itself affects an outcome, so that the outcome as such does not exist unless the measurement is made. (That is, there is no single outcome unless it is observed.)

We know that superposition actually occurs at the subatomic level, because there are observable effects of interference, in which a single particle is demonstrated to be in multiple locations simultaneously. What that fact implies about the nature of reality on the observable level (cats, for example, as opposed to electrons) is one of the stickiest areas of quantum physics. Schrödinger himself is rumored to have said, later in life, that he wished he had never met that cat.





You read it all...


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Re: Schrodinger\'s cat

The answer goes hand-in-hand with why they are so keen on hiding out in South and Central America.
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Darby:

bist du in Ordnung?

<font color="blue"> wir haben uns verlaufen? [/COLOR]

<font color="orange"> was hast du so gemacht? [/COLOR]

LOLOL!!! :oops:
 
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