John Titor- a Smuggler through time?

Hercules

Temporal Navigator
There is some other reason we should think about- Why he went to 1998 instead of going to 2000 directly? What promise he made to his Grandfather while he knows that he and his family are not gonna die in the disaster, the civil war and the nuclear war?

There is one possibility- JT's father was selling oranges. So he was not a very Rich man. JT made a promise to his Grandfather to make his father rich and send his family to a safe part of the World- out of US. How he made them Rich? By smuggling the IBM 5100s(Legacy Code) and selling it in 1998 to easily fix the Y2K, moving to 2000 as a Very Rich Man- made his Family Rich...

He used the word "screwed" because he screwed the Y2K programmers.

"Finally, the much expected date 01 January 2000 arrived and departed with nothing more than minor glitches and absolutely no catastrophes.

Their corporate data secured and safe, companies with legacy systems sighed relief and announced the end of the Y2K party."

http://www.theindianprogrammer.com/issues/post_Y2K.htm

Just google "Legacy Code+Y2K"

"Let’s examine why it appears that many of us experts were so far off in our predictions. One of the perplexing problems we had in predicting events is that the Year 2000 issue covered such a broad spectrum of events and scientific disciplines. It was a problem of old and clunky legacy code that runs our payrolls and other financial and manufacturing systems. Frequently written in COBOL, a programming language first introduced in the sixties, it was at first thought to be the full extent of the Year 2000 problem. Most of the old legacy systems used only two digits to represent the year, and any place where dates were computed, sequenced, or compared, our old date shorthand code had to be changed. For the most part this was done with either "windowing" or date expansion. Windowing is merely an inference or "guessing" of the century based on what the year is. For example, if the year was 50 through 99, it was frequently assumed the year should be prefixed with the digits of 19. And if the year was 0 through 49, it was assumed the year should be prefixed with the digits of 20. The problem was that not everyone used the same rules. This makes sharing of information (as in electronic data interchange, or EDI for short), somewhat of a risky venture. Date expansion was generally considered the "best practice" method, but for a variety of cost and resource reasons, was not always the method chosen. There were also other, lesser-known methods as well."

http://www.russkelly.com/y2kwinnersandlosers.html


"Regardless of how the Y2K issue is viewed, modified code should be tested, and unmodified parts of the system should be retested to ensure that each "fixed" system is Y2K immune. As already stated, these testing expenses can be pricey. One reason is that few testing tools are smart enough to automatically know how to minimize testing costs for modified code. However, you would think a "smart" tool could determine exactly what code needed to be retested. It would be great if such an automated tool existed to distinguish that kind of code in a "optimized" mode, i.e., determine the least amount of code that needed to be retested to demonstrate that a code conversion was correct."
Unfortunately, no such tool exists. This suggests that there is a serious need for tools that seamlessly integrate with Y2K conversion tools and that test Y2K conversions. If such tools existed, the total global cost of the Y2K problem could be reduced while still providing sufficient confidence that Y2K conversions were correct. This could add up to astronomical savings, as the world-wide cost for fixes alone is $600 billion, not to mention legal liability costs that could exceed $1 trillion [2, 3].

http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/crosstalk/1998/01/y2kfixes.asp
 
History note this thread:The y2k fix, to the numeric problem did not go down without a hitch.

There were indeed a few accidents, to where automatic subsystems, did deploy without their being a in-program written command.

One was SAC, the missile command, then but they caught it.

Another one, was the raising of a bridge, in Canada, which was on a timer, controlled by a p.c. related system and this caused an accident.

The people who were sent from the companies, to fix the y2k glitch, were known as, The Over The Hill Gang, as they employed reprogramming in COBOL, which was developed by Grace Hooper, which is known as common business oriented business language.
(Don't know if I have that acronym right, but that's what it is)?

Cobol and Fortran were once taught as pairs, in the instructional relation for students, to certain eras, in computer study relations.

There may have been other accidents, in the files, I also think that there was one train accident, that was a switching problem, passed off, but later suspected to be y2k related?

This problem of said Titor, involves timelines.

How could one of his main relayers, become emotional over what happened in his timeline as happening is ours too, if these mishaps only happened in his timeline?

This is a conundrum and I'm not really sure of the mechanics of this situation.

There is the problem of older systems retaining function, under older series of control, via whatever system and then time, coming into that factor and then not everyone who uses these systems, understands the older technology involved.

A forinstance are both battleships and very aged bombers.

Some of the flight mechanics of the B-52 are not current with what one thinks of say the B1-B or B-2.

In the 52 at takeoff, the nose is slightly canted downwards, due to the requirements of how that particular airfoil flies.

In later generations of aircraft, with different weight placements and differing airfoil designs, a differing takeoff profile somewhat differs.

My point is that older technology still functioning due to buy-brand-new economic constraints, does change how the new work shift relates to how they handle that particular set of utilities?
 
Here are the Titor's postings. Cleverly, he never mixed the "Y2K" with the "IBM, the Legacy Code and Y2K38". You may know the reason Why.


"Thank you for trying to answer those questions (from 30 December 2000 11:47) but I really do not expect that anyone can. I thought I would share with you things we wonder about. Your logic about me is quite correct but again I must state that I am not trying to get you or anyone else to believe or buy anything.

As far as evidence goes, I have however decided to try an experiment with you that may be more convincing. It involves the travel of information at faster than light. In fact, I have dropped at least three little gems like this that no one else has picked up on.

You said you are confused by the 5100 story. I will explain further. In 2036, it was discovered (or at least known after testing) that the 5100 computer was capable of reading and changing all of the legacy code written by IBM before the release of that system and still be able to create new code in APL and basic.

That is the reason we need it in 2036. However, IBM never published that information because it would have probably destroyed a large part of their business infrastructure in the early 70s. In fact, I would bet the engineers were probably told to keep their mouth's shut.

Therefore, if I were not here now telling you this, that information would not be discovered for another 36 years. Yet, I would bet there is someone out there who can do the research and discover I am telling the truth. There must be an old IBM engineer out there someplace that worked on the 5100. They just might not have ever asked if I hadn't pointed it out."


However, there was 1% of "lie" in these. The fake statement would be: "Therefore, if I were not here now telling you this, that information would not be discovered for another 36 years."

He has made the Trade and there would be no need for this mission in 2036. This was the Statement that confused us for a very long time, the threads rolled over regarding the Bugs in our Worldline.

Another one is, he "Tweaked" and "smuggled" not one, but two IBM 5100s from 1975!

Consider:

"If this worldline is 2 percent divergent from your worldline, how do you get home? If you go forward from here to 2036, won't the divergence approach infinity?

Yes, this is true. If I go forward on this worldline, the future will not be my future. I get home by going back to 1975 before I arrived and then going forward to 2036.

Your deductions are quite accurate. Its possible to go forward to "your" 2036 and it would look nothing like mine."


And we have a couple of other reasons which made the threads roll over and over again. That is the reason why no one thought of this possibility. The misinterpretations were,

1. Titor "warned" about Y2K- Which I hope u r clear now that is not the case!

2. Titor said the two Worldlines are "exactly alike".- He was meaning that the "Geology" of the Earth was almost the same in his Worldline and our Worldline. Just refer the Dictionary for "Geology" if u have not come across it.


In my Opinion, whether this John Titor PUZZLE(though very interesting and brain twisting), is Real or Fake, this thread and the other threads about Yellowstone by MEM would be the "solutions" to it.

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=29170&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=30309&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
 
The early perceptions about an advanced computer as posted in Life Magazine, is that this computers would be so powerful, that it would take up the volume of one large room as a cube.1970's thought

Time passes and there is now atomic engineering, where technicians have the ability to arrange individual atoms, in order to create super-chips.

It was thought in the 1970s, that arranging individual atoms was imposable.
 
The early perceptions about an advanced computer as posted in Life Magazine, is that this computers would be so powerful, that it would take up the volume of one large room as a cube.1970's thought


LOL you are so far off its not even funny. the pic of the Advanced computer in Life magazine, was never really in life magazine nor a real article or picture. It was part of a photoshop contest at www.fark.com

maybe I'll dig up the photo and the link to show ya.
 
AA for creedo299

Mr. Renunconcious, you do have problems and you are apparently assheaded.

The article that creedo refers to is an article place in LIFE Magazine, by scientist from IBM on the perception that chips, not the entire computer, may evolve to a room sized apparatus, in a relatively short amount of time.

The article goes onto say, that the nature of the complexity of the main CPU chip, would enhance in size, to full the routing pipeline needs.

The was the era prior to windows and the Gates Allen affair, that let self intelligent systems think latterly, for themselves.

Later it was discovered, via silicon technological intervention, that individual; atoms could be both moved and configured.

At this report, the nature of the chip itself, went into a process, which is known as VLSI, or very large scale integration, or how a light board, produces very precise routings, within any sort of chip.

We find you amusing Mr. RenUnconcious and also don't like you.

Creedo299 has been trying to let the Honda era robots, out to all, so that life, as your species perceives it, can be made more comfortable in the allotted time, that is left.

We advise you Mr. Ren, as creedo calls you, not to purchase any self A.I. unit, for either companionship, or in-home use purposes.

The comic fallout from such a purchase on your part, would be most amusing.
 
Thanx for clarifying.

We advise you Mr. Ren, as creedo calls you, not to purchase any self A.I. unit, for either companionship, or in-home use purposes.

I would never purchase any self A.I. units, I've already seen some of the consequences. Talking about yourself in the 3rd person, talking about potato salad, making up fantasy worlds to live in, spitting out giberish. I would not want to become some type of a, Weirdo.
 
Herc:

He time traveled to 2000 (this world line) and Y2K was not a problem. Are you saying on his way back to 1975, on his way back to 2036, when he stopped in 1998 there was a Y2K problem?

Please explain why when he went back to 1998 there was a Y2K problem. I don't understand.
 
MEM wrote:
"He time traveled to 2000 (this world line) and Y2K was not a problem. Are you saying on his way back to 1975, on his way back to 2036, when he stopped in 1998 there was a Y2K problem?"

He never travelled to 2000 from 1975. I'll show u how it goes:

Now consider the Titor’s Postings:

“For a change, I have a question for all of you. I want you to think very hard. What major disaster was expected and prepared for in the last year and a half that never happened?”

“What amazes me is why no one here wonders why Y2K didn't hit them at all?”

At these points he was referring to the Y2K.

“After going over my flight plan home, I have discovered my VGL holdover period is a bit longer than I expected. I will be spending at least three weeks in April of 1998 as I make my way back to 1975. “

At this point we learn that he has been to 1998 before coming to 2000, from 1975. So to return to his Worldline of origin, he must go to 1998, then to 1975 and then to 2036. The question is why he came to 1998 from 1975 instead of coming to 2000 directly considering the risk of Time Travel?

Titor made a promise to his grandfather to go forward in time to help his family. How will he help his family? You know the nature of the future. To escape, he needs to escort them to a safe part of the world where they can live somewhat PEACEFULLY. Having come from the future, he knows where it is safe. For that purpose, he needed lots of $$.

Y2K was a major problem to be solved in 1998. He had the key in his hand- The IBM 5100 (Legacy Code). He can trade it with the right people to get millions of $$. Check the links in the start of the thread. What other method can he follow as a Time Traveler to make $$ without being spotted? For this reason he went to 1998 from 1975.

He then moved to 2000 as a millionaire and prepared to escort his family to safety. Note that in both the cases he is traveling to the future of his Grandfather's Worldline.

“When I arrived, I approached my father and was easily able to prove to him who I was. I am currently with my parents and the "me" who is three. They are very aware of what I am doing, why I am here and when I will be leaving.”


The final thing which pushed me into conclusion is his puzzle or “experiment” which he told, if solved, would be the evidence!

"Thank you for trying to answer those questions (from 30 December 2000 11:47) but I really do not expect that anyone can. I thought I would share with you things we wonder about. Your logic about me is quite correct but again I must state that I am not trying to get you or anyone else to believe or buy anything.

As far as evidence goes, I have however decided to try an experiment with you that may be more convincing. It involves the travel of information at faster than light. In fact, I have dropped at least three little gems like this that no one else has picked up on.

You said you are confused by the 5100 story. I will explain further. In 2036, it was discovered (or at least known after testing) that the 5100 computer was capable of reading and changing all of the legacy code written by IBM before the release of that system and still be able to create new code in APL and basic.

That is the reason we need it in 2036. However, IBM never published that information because it would have probably destroyed a large part of their business infrastructure in the early 70s. In fact, I would bet the engineers were probably told to keep their mouth's shut.

Therefore, if I were not here now telling you this, that information would not be discovered for another 36 years. Yet, I would bet there is someone out there who can do the research and discover I am telling the truth. There must be an old IBM engineer out there someplace that worked on the 5100. They just might not have ever asked if I hadn't pointed it out."

If Y2K is solved with the tool he sold, why not Y2K38? This bug could be fixed too in our Worldline. He gave fake information here: “Therefore, if I were not here now telling you this, that information would not be discovered for another 36 years.”

But he used the word “YET” immediately after that.

Sorry for taking too much space. It is difficult to understand this phenomenon and this would be a more elaborate explanation. By reading it more than once, I am sure u’ll get it. But this is a strong evidence to support that he was a time traveler.

Still anyone having any contradictory ideas are welcome to bring it on.
 
Interesting. I have never been able to make much sense of the Y2K thing. I'm not sure I accept what you have written but I have no reason to reject it, at least on the first read. I'll study it some more....
 
General statement:

It may be, that through time, that some who TT, may need to at times steal, as their economies have been altered by the act of time travel?I neither support or condemn this action, it seems to happen.
 
Herc wrote:

By smuggling the IBM 5100s(Legacy Code) and selling it in 1998 to easily fix the Y2K, moving to 2000 as a Very Rich Man- made his Family Rich...

Maybe, but it would not have fixed Y2K on this worldline, at least according to Titor (I think):

After going over my flight plan home, I have discovered my VGL holdover period is a bit longer than I expected. I will be spending at least three weeks in April of 1998 as I make my way back to 1975. Therefore, I not only offer you the chance to leave a message to yourself in 2036 but I offer you the chance to leave yourself a message in 1998. I will take any compiled messages and email addressees you provide and send them on the net when I get to 1998.
Granted, this will not affect you on your worldline now but you make take some comfort that another “you” on another worldline has the advantage of knowing something you wish you knew three years ago

What's your take on this?
 
5110 didn't have a clock, the version of APL didn't have date/time functions. It was a calculator. But heeey, they sold Y2K compliant calculators in '99, I saw em. People bought em.
 
MEM Wrote:

"Maybe, but it would not have fixed Y2K on this worldline, at least according to Titor (I think):


In reply to:
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After going over my flight plan home, I have discovered my VGL holdover period is a bit longer than I expected. I will be spending at least three weeks in April of 1998 as I make my way back to 1975. Therefore, I not only offer you the chance to leave a message to yourself in 2036 but I offer you the chance to leave yourself a message in 1998. I will take any compiled messages and email addressees you provide and send them on the net when I get to 1998.
Granted, this will not affect you on your worldline now but you make take some comfort that another “you” on another worldline has the advantage of knowing something you wish you knew three years ago


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What's your take on this?"

MEM, I can say still u were thinking that Titor came to 2000 from 1975 Directly. That is NOT the case. May be Titors explanation will make u clear:

"A few people have asked me about this statement so I will try to clarify it.

On my worldline: (A) in 2036, I was given a mission in 1975. I turn my machine on and jump to another worldline (B) in 1975 with about a 2% divergence from (A).

From the very point I turn my machine off on (B), I create a new worldline just because I'm there. This line can be described as (C) and started when I got to (B).

I am now doing my mission on line (C) in 1975 when I discover a very a good reason to go forward on (C) and see what happened. I turn my machine on and go forward on (C) to the year 2000.

When I turn it off, I start another line called (D). So from my perspective, here we are on line (D) in the year 2000. In order to go home to line (A) I must turn my machine on and go back on (D) until I reach (C) which in turn would take me back to (B) which in turn takes me to a point before I arrived on (B) then I go forward from the point I arrived on (B) back to (A)."


Now r u clear? From 1975, Titor went to 1998. Then he came to 2000. To go back, he must go to 1998, at a point in time before he arrived and go back to 1975 to a point in time before he arrived on 1975 previously. Then he moves to 2036.

R u clear now? He has been to 1998, help fix Y2K, to prepare his family with the $$ he made in 1998.
 
I’ll tell you one other thing. Titor never EXPLICITLY said that he was on 1998 before he came here to 2000. That’s because if he had said that, then it wouldn’t have taken this long to solve the mystery of Titor’s “Y2K in our Worldline.”

I’ll try my last effort to explain the “truth” with an “example”

Assume Titor travels to 1975(1975 is our Worldline) from 2036(2036 is his Worldline). He arrives on September 1st, 1975 and destroys Statue of Liberty and raises Statue of Lincoln there. If he wants to go back to 2036(his Worldline of origin), he needs to travel back to the past from our Worldline(September of 1975) to August of 1975 which will NOT be our Worldline. The statue of Liberty WILL be there. He goes to his future 2036.

Now consider he wants to travel to the future from September 1975, which is our Worldline. He goes to April 1st, 1998 and he will see the Statue of Lincoln in our Worldline. Now he destroys the Statue of Lincoln and raises the Statue of GWBush. In order to go back to HIS Worldline of ORIGIN 2036, He has to do this:
He has to travel to the past, to March of 1998, Where he will see the Statue of Lincoln. Now he has to go back to September 1975 where he will see the Statue of Lincoln. From there he has to go to August of 1975 where he sees the Statue of Liberty and travels to HIS Worldline of origin 2036. Note that when he travels FORWARD in time from 1975, it will be OUR Worldline. WHENEVER he travels backward from 1998 to September 1975, and EVEN IF the Statue of Lincoln is there, it is NOT OUR Worldline.

Now apply these principles to your thoughts and think what he has to do if he travels in our Worldline to November 2000 from April 1998 and he has to go back to his 2036.

Now the truth is, even if he does not mess with the Statue of Liberty during his travels, he has to follow the same Route described above.

I hope this helps.

But I’m tired of this stuff and whether anyone understands it and agrees or not, I don’t care about it anymore. I’ve learnt the “truth” and I hope there should be no War or Disaster killing people around the Globe.
 
this is interesting because I saw a post on a website i think like geocities or something like that when I was researching this topic to find out the validity of it and I came across a radio interview that was done with whoever runs Johntitor.com, and there was mention of some post Titor made in 1998. The posts that he made had mentioned y2k and how it was a total disaster in his worldline and to be prepared. This would have to be his post in 1998 before he came to 2000, because obvioulsy y2k wasn't a total disaster. This also poses to me a question, like the episode of the simpsons(sorry it was the easyest refrence on the top of my head) when you go back in time ANYTHING you do could affect your future. so lets say titor went to 1975 then to 1998 changes y2k then to 2000 to make sure it worked, in turn he has changed his and everybodys future. this means the future he described would not be the future at all........ :eek:
 
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