Jmpet\'s intro to Rainman\'s Massive Spacetime
In response to a poster's PM to me advising me to "really better do your science homework before you take on RainmanTime, or claim he is talking pseudoscience", I would like to present my argument that Rainman ain't no scientist.
As the letter reads, "He has destroyed people who exhibit a higher level of scientific knowledge than I see from you. If you think you are his match, you'd better be extremely clever. He is not to be taken lightly. Now you have been warned."
Well thank you for the heads up, now please allow me to reply to you and everyone else who is interested.
I never claimed to be smarter than Rainman. In all honesty, I think he and I have the same smarts, only in different ways. And I am not here to destroy Rainman, I am here to put him in the same class as all the rest of us: his statements are opinions, not facts. I am also here to re-open the door to time travel claims as well as "the doorway to weirdness" which is what any website that discusses aliens, the paranormal and time travel is supposed to do.
The very thing that brought me to this website was Titor's timely predictions of events which seemed to me to be happening in our present day. I spent some time downloading all of his texts from all over the internet and then I spent time putting them into a cohesive order so they can all be read one volume at a time.
I downloaded as many versions of the same pics Titor posted for analysis and cross-checked them all. I also downloaded "all other Titors": the Titor who allegedly sent Art Bell emails in 1998, Titor's mom and finally, all the others who "knew Titor, was another time traveller like Titor" and so on.
I decided to attack the Titor incident one at a time. I treated each repository of information as its own entity, then reconstructed the respective messages and looked to see if they all meshed. They did not, so I stuck to the singlemost largest source of original Titor information- this website, which has 90% of "what Titor said" on it; this is the best place to look for Titor.
The logic is simple- Titor said stuff for three-plus months- that's a lot of stuff. If you take everything he said and put it all together, you'll end up with either one strong argument for our changing times or so many contradictions that it does not make sense. If Titor said one thing in November and something else in January, when put together they will contradict each other and expose him as a fraud. "Data compression" as newbie here calls it.
I did this and called it "Words for the Future, by John Titor". Reading the text as a whole gives a chilling portrayal of the approaching future which freaked even me out a little bit. And it was all one cohesive flow of information with many salient points; it was good information.
I then spent some time researching posters on time travel boards, looking for clues that might lead to his real identity. My thinking is that for someone to pull of something as grandiose as that, he would have to at least stick around a little while to marvel at his handywork. This part includes this board as well as other websites, as well as reading as many Titor-related articles on the internet as I could find, this is where an archive of past posts becomes important.
While doing all of this, I crossed paths with RainmanTime. He immediately debunked a week's worth of compiling Titor's words by calling it revisionist editing. Looking objectively at it, Rainman is a person who has been here for years talking the time travelling talk... he must surely have said some interesting things himself on time travel.
But this was not the case. Looking back at Rainman's posts from the past couple of years there are scores of clear-cut contradictions. And this was at a time when he was attacking me for compiling Titor's own words for easy presentation on a website Titor himself posted the bulk of his words; a website that has more people interested in discussing Titor than debunking him.
And I ain't even saying you gotta believe Titor or debunk him- personally I believe Titor was a very smart, very organized person who had a clear message to say for the future and not neccesarially a time traveller- that is, I am willing to look past the assertion that Titor was a time traveller and listen to what he had to say, all while at the same time Rainman was summarialistically dismissing the whole thing altogether.
Well if we play this out and apply Rainman's assertion that time travelling is not possible (which is something Rainman said was possible a year ago) and not worth discussing at all, then we are on a website that is now dedicted to tearing apart time traveller claims.
One analogy I had intended to use as an argument against Rainman was this- if you looked at the Bible the same way he looks at Titor's words, then you must debunk the whole of the Bible, throw out Jesus' Beaditudes, throw out the Ten Commandments etc. because simply put, the Earth was not made in six days. While basically no one believes Jonah was in the belly of a whale anymore, we all agree there are still some "good words to live by" in the Bible: this is common sense and you don't need to be a scientist to have common sense.
And this is exactly what Rainman has been doing for the past two years plus here- shooting down the whole Titor story and ignoring everything he said; killing the messenger and ignoring the message. From a scientific standpoint, I reject that approach. From a philosophical approach, this is simply ignorance. And from a layman standpoint, this makes a boring website.
At the same time, Rainman has been espousing his "Massive Spacetime theory" which is something that, in over two years of being here espousing it, he has never completly written out or properly explained. As he puts it, it's a complete, all-encompassing theory that applies to everything, everywhere so there's no need to debunk it. In other words, if you attack Massive Spacetime, you're not being scientific and you're insulting him on a personal level. This is not a scientific approach to well... science!
The only criteria Rainman would ever accept as proof that Massive Spacetime is well, fantasy is his process of "falsification", which is based on the paper by Karl Popper (and "falsification" was not a word until popper coined it in 1963) and was meant to be used in new sciences that cannot not be proven by normal empirical methods. Since you cannot measure a person's mental stability, you cannot prove psychoanalysis is science, this is where falsification applies. Falsification also applies to astrology and anything else that calls itself science but cannot be tangably proven. This is the yardstick by which Rainman measures Massive Spacetime, this is the only way he will ever step back and think objectively.
And since Massive Spacetime is an all-emcompassing theory, it applies to everything, therefore it's unfalsifiable. So is it science, or a grandiose, unprovable theory? I prefer the latter simply because if we stick to falsification as proof then the Flying Spaghetti Monster literally has the same scientific credibility as Massive Spacetime. So you can either accept Rainman's Massive Spacetime for its infalsability and by the same measure the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or you can simply disagree with it. I disagree.
With all of this said, I will now present "Words for the Future, by RainmanTime" which is a compilation of Rainman's posts from last year, long before I came along and put my fly in his soup. This is all Rainman's words; it's a compilation of what he said which I edited to flow as a cohesive thought. It's "the other half" of "Massive Spacetime" which is my basis for saying Rainman ain't no scientist.
My objective is simple: to hold people to theor words. Truths are indivisible. If I took the Qu'ran apart and randomly reassembled it, I wouldn't have a "Devil's Bible": a book of truths is true no matter how you look at it. If you say something today, it should also be true tomorrow. This is why the Chinese and Buddha are famous for their one liners- because they are simple truths. Rainman has no simple truth to offer- his theory is so complicated that you need a degree to BEGIN to understand it no less agree with it and in his own words, it's too complicated to "dumb down for dumb people like me" and more importantly, Rainman has made dozens of contradictory comments about his own theory over the years! This is not science, I can explain E=MC2 to a six year old, Rainman cannot explain Massive Spacetime to a 35 year old, something ain't right here.
What do I want out of this? Nothing actually. All I want is this website to once again be a place for people to come and post their wacko nutjob theories, or share knowedge or just have fun. I have no ego or desire in this- I do not want to replace Rainman, I have no intention of "becoming the new Rainman"... I have no theory of my own to espouse other than to allow people to speak their peace. I am not a time traveller or an alien, I am not from another dimension or universe. I have no words of my own to share with the world, I have no theory of my own, I have no ego that needs constant stroking. And if I were a scientist with a valid scientific theory, I would present it to the scientific community, not a wacko alien/time traveller/paranormal website which ought to tell you something in the first place.
So with all of that said, here is the other half to RainmanTime's theory of Massive Spacetime, the other half he doesn't talk about anymore. I leave it to you all to decide if you want this scientist telling you your theory is valid or not.
Whether or not I get "voted off the island" is secondary to the point: if you hear Rainman out, if you get past his snide remarks, insults and callous dismissals and actually listen to what he is saying you will see he is no better than you or me; he has no special qualifications that makes him an expert in anything here... THAT is my point.
In response to a poster's PM to me advising me to "really better do your science homework before you take on RainmanTime, or claim he is talking pseudoscience", I would like to present my argument that Rainman ain't no scientist.
As the letter reads, "He has destroyed people who exhibit a higher level of scientific knowledge than I see from you. If you think you are his match, you'd better be extremely clever. He is not to be taken lightly. Now you have been warned."
Well thank you for the heads up, now please allow me to reply to you and everyone else who is interested.
I never claimed to be smarter than Rainman. In all honesty, I think he and I have the same smarts, only in different ways. And I am not here to destroy Rainman, I am here to put him in the same class as all the rest of us: his statements are opinions, not facts. I am also here to re-open the door to time travel claims as well as "the doorway to weirdness" which is what any website that discusses aliens, the paranormal and time travel is supposed to do.
The very thing that brought me to this website was Titor's timely predictions of events which seemed to me to be happening in our present day. I spent some time downloading all of his texts from all over the internet and then I spent time putting them into a cohesive order so they can all be read one volume at a time.
I downloaded as many versions of the same pics Titor posted for analysis and cross-checked them all. I also downloaded "all other Titors": the Titor who allegedly sent Art Bell emails in 1998, Titor's mom and finally, all the others who "knew Titor, was another time traveller like Titor" and so on.
I decided to attack the Titor incident one at a time. I treated each repository of information as its own entity, then reconstructed the respective messages and looked to see if they all meshed. They did not, so I stuck to the singlemost largest source of original Titor information- this website, which has 90% of "what Titor said" on it; this is the best place to look for Titor.
The logic is simple- Titor said stuff for three-plus months- that's a lot of stuff. If you take everything he said and put it all together, you'll end up with either one strong argument for our changing times or so many contradictions that it does not make sense. If Titor said one thing in November and something else in January, when put together they will contradict each other and expose him as a fraud. "Data compression" as newbie here calls it.
I did this and called it "Words for the Future, by John Titor". Reading the text as a whole gives a chilling portrayal of the approaching future which freaked even me out a little bit. And it was all one cohesive flow of information with many salient points; it was good information.
I then spent some time researching posters on time travel boards, looking for clues that might lead to his real identity. My thinking is that for someone to pull of something as grandiose as that, he would have to at least stick around a little while to marvel at his handywork. This part includes this board as well as other websites, as well as reading as many Titor-related articles on the internet as I could find, this is where an archive of past posts becomes important.
While doing all of this, I crossed paths with RainmanTime. He immediately debunked a week's worth of compiling Titor's words by calling it revisionist editing. Looking objectively at it, Rainman is a person who has been here for years talking the time travelling talk... he must surely have said some interesting things himself on time travel.
But this was not the case. Looking back at Rainman's posts from the past couple of years there are scores of clear-cut contradictions. And this was at a time when he was attacking me for compiling Titor's own words for easy presentation on a website Titor himself posted the bulk of his words; a website that has more people interested in discussing Titor than debunking him.
And I ain't even saying you gotta believe Titor or debunk him- personally I believe Titor was a very smart, very organized person who had a clear message to say for the future and not neccesarially a time traveller- that is, I am willing to look past the assertion that Titor was a time traveller and listen to what he had to say, all while at the same time Rainman was summarialistically dismissing the whole thing altogether.
Well if we play this out and apply Rainman's assertion that time travelling is not possible (which is something Rainman said was possible a year ago) and not worth discussing at all, then we are on a website that is now dedicted to tearing apart time traveller claims.
One analogy I had intended to use as an argument against Rainman was this- if you looked at the Bible the same way he looks at Titor's words, then you must debunk the whole of the Bible, throw out Jesus' Beaditudes, throw out the Ten Commandments etc. because simply put, the Earth was not made in six days. While basically no one believes Jonah was in the belly of a whale anymore, we all agree there are still some "good words to live by" in the Bible: this is common sense and you don't need to be a scientist to have common sense.
And this is exactly what Rainman has been doing for the past two years plus here- shooting down the whole Titor story and ignoring everything he said; killing the messenger and ignoring the message. From a scientific standpoint, I reject that approach. From a philosophical approach, this is simply ignorance. And from a layman standpoint, this makes a boring website.
At the same time, Rainman has been espousing his "Massive Spacetime theory" which is something that, in over two years of being here espousing it, he has never completly written out or properly explained. As he puts it, it's a complete, all-encompassing theory that applies to everything, everywhere so there's no need to debunk it. In other words, if you attack Massive Spacetime, you're not being scientific and you're insulting him on a personal level. This is not a scientific approach to well... science!
The only criteria Rainman would ever accept as proof that Massive Spacetime is well, fantasy is his process of "falsification", which is based on the paper by Karl Popper (and "falsification" was not a word until popper coined it in 1963) and was meant to be used in new sciences that cannot not be proven by normal empirical methods. Since you cannot measure a person's mental stability, you cannot prove psychoanalysis is science, this is where falsification applies. Falsification also applies to astrology and anything else that calls itself science but cannot be tangably proven. This is the yardstick by which Rainman measures Massive Spacetime, this is the only way he will ever step back and think objectively.
And since Massive Spacetime is an all-emcompassing theory, it applies to everything, therefore it's unfalsifiable. So is it science, or a grandiose, unprovable theory? I prefer the latter simply because if we stick to falsification as proof then the Flying Spaghetti Monster literally has the same scientific credibility as Massive Spacetime. So you can either accept Rainman's Massive Spacetime for its infalsability and by the same measure the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or you can simply disagree with it. I disagree.
With all of this said, I will now present "Words for the Future, by RainmanTime" which is a compilation of Rainman's posts from last year, long before I came along and put my fly in his soup. This is all Rainman's words; it's a compilation of what he said which I edited to flow as a cohesive thought. It's "the other half" of "Massive Spacetime" which is my basis for saying Rainman ain't no scientist.
My objective is simple: to hold people to theor words. Truths are indivisible. If I took the Qu'ran apart and randomly reassembled it, I wouldn't have a "Devil's Bible": a book of truths is true no matter how you look at it. If you say something today, it should also be true tomorrow. This is why the Chinese and Buddha are famous for their one liners- because they are simple truths. Rainman has no simple truth to offer- his theory is so complicated that you need a degree to BEGIN to understand it no less agree with it and in his own words, it's too complicated to "dumb down for dumb people like me" and more importantly, Rainman has made dozens of contradictory comments about his own theory over the years! This is not science, I can explain E=MC2 to a six year old, Rainman cannot explain Massive Spacetime to a 35 year old, something ain't right here.
What do I want out of this? Nothing actually. All I want is this website to once again be a place for people to come and post their wacko nutjob theories, or share knowedge or just have fun. I have no ego or desire in this- I do not want to replace Rainman, I have no intention of "becoming the new Rainman"... I have no theory of my own to espouse other than to allow people to speak their peace. I am not a time traveller or an alien, I am not from another dimension or universe. I have no words of my own to share with the world, I have no theory of my own, I have no ego that needs constant stroking. And if I were a scientist with a valid scientific theory, I would present it to the scientific community, not a wacko alien/time traveller/paranormal website which ought to tell you something in the first place.
So with all of that said, here is the other half to RainmanTime's theory of Massive Spacetime, the other half he doesn't talk about anymore. I leave it to you all to decide if you want this scientist telling you your theory is valid or not.
Whether or not I get "voted off the island" is secondary to the point: if you hear Rainman out, if you get past his snide remarks, insults and callous dismissals and actually listen to what he is saying you will see he is no better than you or me; he has no special qualifications that makes him an expert in anything here... THAT is my point.
