Ice Cream Cone Theory

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persephone8

Chrono Cadet
Hello Folks,

Here's my ice cream cone theory:

Picture a soft serve ice cream cone, the kind that comes pouring out of a nozzle and which can be controlled by a lever. Now cut off or ignore the crunchy cone part.

You are left with a basic shape of a domed cone of melting ice cream with a curly Q on top.

Picture the ice cream cone, referred to as IC from now on, being made by pouring out of the nozzle. We are on the "event horizon" of the IC that is forming the dome-cone. We can not exist where there is no IC. But we can look back to where there was IC at the base of the cone being made. Now picture the curly Q at the top being the Big Bang. The Big Bang can not exist without the under structure of ice cream holding it up. So in a sense what we look at from the event horizon of new IC, is the nature of the universe that has a Big Bang, because the ice cream cone maker has an intent to make a dome-coned shaped form of soft serve IC with a curly Q on top. It is predestined.

As the IC cone maker gets close to the curly Q on top, with us riding along the event horizon of new IC, the process of making the cone speeds up, because there is less IC upon each layer of IC to form the shape of the cone. So our experience at the event horizon of new IC is that our universe is speeding up, and at the same time we can see all of the IC below, and it appears to us to be spreading out from our vantage point.

I hope I clearly articulated what I wanted to say.

Does anyone see what I am trying to say? Has anyone heard of another theory like this or similar?

Note: Yes, my very first job in high school was to work at a Dairy Queen.

2nd Note: Did you know that Dairy Queen has hallmarked that little curly Q at the top? No one except official Dairy Queens are suppose to do it. So in my analogy, Dairy Queen has hallmarked the Big Bang /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

The Appropriateness of Chance is Astounding
Persephone

"There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers" by Neil Armstrong
 
Hi Keven,

Thanks for responding and reading my post.

I am not sure if I understand your question. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif I was just using an ice cream cone as a model, and I positioned the Big Bang at the curly Q. It is there, behind where we can look in the known universe (because we can only see ice cream and exist in ice ccream). But we can see the evidence of it, because we can see the ever-increasing base of ice cream that holds up the curly Q. This is just a model. I don't actually think the universe is shaped like an ice cream cone, and I certainly don't think the Big Bang is shaped like a curly Q. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif Does that answer your question?


I forgot to include that the cone stretches out to infinity, so that our event horizon, where the ice cream is added to the base, will never possibly reach the curly Q a.k.a. Big Bang.

This doesn't fit in nicely with the model. And I not sure why I think is possible, I think there is some theorum or law or something about how one can never actually travel the distance to another, because if you travel half way, then half way of that, then half way of that, and so on, you will always be half way from another.

The Appropriateness of Chance is Astounding
Persephone
 
Hi Persephone:

Note: Yes, my very first job in high school was to work at a Dairy Queen.
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My high school job was with Baskin-Robbins....so your soft-serve model seems a bit alien to me! I tend to think in well-rounded scoops...some of them with chunky almonds, pralines, and ribbons of caramel in them.


Seriously, though... There are models of the universe that posit the shape of our universe as being that of a donut (toroid). Such models state that we live on the surface of the donut.

Kind Regards,
RainmanTime
 
all I meant was if the curly Q can't exist with out the cone, and the big bang was represented by the curly Q what does the cone repersent?
 
Rainman Time,

In reply to:"Seriously, though... There are models of the universe that posit the shape of our universe as being that of a donut (toroid). Such models state that we live on the surface of the donut."

I am not getting the connection between my ice cream cone and a donut, except that both are fattening treats.

No really, the big thing about what I was describing, to me, was that the cause and effect were non-linear, and it was a self-contained condition.....Oh, I get it. I described a closed loop in the shape of an ice cream cone, and a donut of course is also a closed loop.

Still, what interested me in this model I inflicted upon you is that the ice cream was the known universe, and although we could observe the Big Bang's results, it was acually something that hadn't occured yet, or would ever.

I think I will pull out my "Universe in a Nutshell" and re read this stuff.


The Appropriateness of Chance is Astounding
Persephone

"There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers" by Neil Armstrong
 
Keven,

in reply to:"all I meant was if the curly Q can't exist with out the cone, and the big bang was represented by the curly Q what does the cone repersent? "

The cone represents the known universe where there is ice cream.

Where the ice maker intends to fill out the cone, but there is no ice cream yet, is the unknown aspects of the universe, to us meager homo sapiens.

But if we could jump out of the fourth dimension (Rainman Time's discussion) I guess we would see the entire cone and the curly Q all at once, unified. But it would probably have a different shape. It probably would be a closed loop shape, like a donut, or maybe a closed loop knot, or the plane of a sphere. I dunno.

I think.



The Appropriateness of Chance is Astounding
Persephone

"There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers" by Neil Armstrong
 
Hi all,

I have been thinking all day about what Rainman Time said in reaction to my ice cream cone theory.

He said "Seriously, though... There are models of the universe that posit the shape of our universe as being that of a donut (toroid). Such models state that we live on the surface of the donut."

I have been wracking my brain to figure out how the donut and the ice cream cone are similar except for the concept of a closed loop universe. And that space has the quality of being curved.

I was assuming, when I inflicted upon you all with my model, that the universe is a closed loop shape.

What I was trying to picture for myself was why the universe is expanding from our perspective, and yet is also speeding up, from our perspective.

As far as I know, physicists had expected to see results in astronomy that showed that the universe was slowing down. They envisioned the big bang exploding and then the energy from that dissapating outword.

In the ice cream cone model, that is what I picture in my head, I tried to explain that astronomers have seen evidence to say that the universe is infact speeding up.

Supposing that we sit on the plane, 2 dimensional for this model, where the ice cream cone comes out of the nozzle and hits the makings of the cone. That is the present, the NOW to us.

And since we can only observe and learn about the universe that is known to us, the present and the past, we can only see the base of the ice cream cone, and it gets wider and wider as our NOW on the plane of the ice cream cone gets smaller and smaller.

We, of course can only observe what is relative to the size of the NOW plane of the ice cream.

Like looking into space and seeing the light of stars from billions of light years ago. Now, we look at this, and it shows us the evidence of an expanding universe, because the farther you look, the wider the ice cream is, relatively.

But where we sit on the plane of the new ice cream pouring out, it narrows.

From experience in my job at DQ as a kid, I know that at this point in making an ice cream cone, the process speeds up. Because there is less and less ice cream piled on top of the wider base of ice cream.

OK, I also know that there were employees that were better or worse at making ice cream cones. Some were able to form the round bulbs of ice cream on top of the other. In this instance, the speed of the known universe would show evidence that sometimes the universe speeds up and sometimes it slows down in an expected manner.

But the DQ employees who had trouble making the bulbous forms that DQ tried to train their employees to make, would have sort of wavey, messy cones that did not resemble bulbs or scoops, what have you. In this instance the universe would appear to sometimes speed up and sometimes slow down, but not at a regular rate.

Regardless, overall, the universe would speed up. (until you made another cone). Or possibly the cone making process would continue infinitely, tapering and tapering, going faster and faster, till time and space were indistinguishable from one another.

The donut, to me, at least how I am thinking of it, doesn't exlain these observations? Or does it?

The Appropriateness of Chance is Astounding
Persephone

"There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers" by Neil Armstrong
 
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