HS Student Interested in Doing a Report; Where do I start?

Alex Mancheler

Temporal Novice
Hopefully, this is the right sub.

I learned about John Titor after watching an anime called Steins;Gate (which some of you may have heard of), but the anime DIRECTLY takes whatever he said and almost word for word explains some of the things he claimed. I never had heard of John Titor before, and when I learned he was actually real I was very surprised. I was wondering if you guys can help me, as I want to an report on him and have my own theories on him as well, but I'm stuck in several areas. I'll ask them as I go along, but the main question:

1) Where is his first post with his claims

2) Where are the time machine diagrams and all?

Thanks for taking the time to help a freshman

-Alex

 
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Some people believe Titor is a hoax and some do not. It will be up to you to wade through the information and make that decision.

1) Where is his first post with his claims
I believe he posted on Post to Post, first. @Cosmo1598825723 Don't we have a copy of these somewhere?

2) Where are the time machine diagrams and all?
Do a Google image search for "john titor diagram"

 
Some people believe Titor is a hoax and some do not. It will be up to you to wade through the information and make that decision.I believe he posted on Post to Post, first. @Cosmo1598825723 Don't we have a copy of these somewhere?
Do a Google image search for "john titor diagram"
Okay so my friend tells that once COULD go into the future, but when going to the past, wouldnt this create a wormhole (supported by Einstein's theory of relativity)? Does this mean there WAS a wormhole in 2001?

 
Okay so my friend tells that once COULD go into the future, but when going to the past, wouldnt this create a wormhole (supported by Einstein's theory of relativity)? Does this mean there WAS a wormhole in 2001?
The Multiworldline theory goes like this: Whenever you time travel, you create a parallel universe. So, if you go back in time to kill your grandfather, you will only kill the one in that time line, not your "home" one. Also, there would be a duplicate of yourself there and you would be missing from your "home" timeline. The thing is, Titor mentioned many times that he COULD return to his original, home timeline. I like to call this zero divergence. Of course, he never specified if he had a copy of himself there or not and if it truly was at zero divergence. Here are some quotes. (I'd give you the link, but I no longer support the author that posted this). This seems to have been a question/answer session and he edited out all the extra info.Are you able to return to your home?

Yes.

Do people know where you are? Can you communicate with your home?

No. They do not know where I am and I cannot communicate with them. Interesting idea though. From their point of view, I will return almost exactly at the same moment I left. From their viewpoint, I will only have aged more than expected.

If this worldline is 2 percent divergent from your worldline, how do you get home? If you go forward from here to 2036, won’t the divergence approach infinity?

Yes, this is true. If I go forward on this worldline, the future will not be my future. I get home by going back to 1975 before I arrived and then going forward to 2036.

If I go forward on this worldline, the future will not be my future. I get home by going back to 1975 before I arrived and then going forward to 2036.

A few people have asked me about this statement so I will try to clarify it.

On my worldline: (A) in 2036, I was given a mission in 1975. I turn my machine on and jump to another worldline (B) in 1975 with about a 2% divergence from (A).

From the very point I turn my machine off on (B), I create a new worldline just because I’m there. This line can be described as © and started when I got to (B).

I am now doing my mission on line © in 1975 when I discover a very a good reason to go forward on © and see what happened. I turn my machine on and go forward on © to the year 2000.

When I turn it off, I start another line called (D). So from my perspective, here we are on line (D) in the year 2000. In order to go home to line (A) I must turn my machine on and go back on (D) until I reach © which in turn would take me back to (B) which in turn takes me to a point before I arrived on (B) then I go forward from the point I arrived on (B) back to (A).

If all this isn’t enough to get your head spinning…here are some issues we’re dealing with in 2036.

15 January 2001 13:36

Thank you for considering the problem of (my) returning home. You seem to have stumbled on an intuitive proof of some of the physics of time travel. You are correct, getting back to the worldline of origin is easier than picking an exact destination on a different worldline.

I wrote down the graphic you outlined. If y1 starts perpendicular to x1 and x2 and is rotated, where is the center of rotation? I imagined it between x1 and x2. If this is so, wouldn’t y1 end up parallel between x1 and x2 with each one being 6 inches away from y1 on either side?

 
Hi Alex,

Titor first spoke with others via IRC in October 2000:

John Titor Videos

He then posted here in November 2000:

http://timetravel.institute/community/threads/time-travel-paradoxes.943/#post-83053

There is a second thread of his here, which was started due to limitations of the forum software c. 2001:

http://timetravel.institute/community/threads/topics-limited-to-11-pages.1016/

TItor posted on the Art Bell forums in January 2001, but that site is long dead and the Internet Archive of that thread is very incomplete. Anomalies is a source you can trust for the original text though:

Original John Titor Posts (Post2Post Art Bell Forum) – Part 1

Another good resource would be the Internet Archive of Time Travel Portal. Lot of good discussion there:

Time Travel Portal :: View topic - John Titor

I have complete dumps of this site, Art Bell's site and Time Travel Portal so if you need a clean archive of something not littered with the Archive's JavaScript or anything let me know.

 
Hi Alex,Titor first spoke with others via IRC in October 2000:John Titor Videos

He then posted here in November 2000:

http://timetravel.institute/community/threads/time-travel-paradoxes.943/#post-83053

There is a second thread of his here, which was started due to limitations of the forum software c. 2001:

http://timetravel.institute/community/threads/topics-limited-to-11-pages.1016/

TItor posted on the Art Bell forums in January 2001, but that site is long dead and the Internet Archive of that thread is very incomplete. Anomalies is a source you can trust for the original text though:

Original John Titor Posts (Post2Post Art Bell Forum) – Part 1

Another good resource would be the Internet Archive of Time Travel Portal. Lot of good discussion there:

Time Travel Portal :: View topic - John Titor

I have complete dumps of this site, Art Bell's site and Time Travel Portal so if you need a clean archive of something not littered with the Archive's JavaScript or anything let me know.
Thank you very much Cosmo. I have now been convinced to create an report on him as I have to do an independent project on any topic of my choice. This man will be my main point as well as Theory of Relativity, Many Worlds Interpretation, and CERN.You all have been helpful, thank you very much once again.

 
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Thank you very much Cosmo. I have now been convinced to create an report on him as I have to do an independent project on any topic of my choice. This man will be my main point as well as Theory of Relativity, Many Worlds Interpretation, and CERN.You all have been helpful, thank you very much once again.
My pleasure! If you need any more help just let us know. Most people here are friendly, though as you've seen this evening, we get the occasional jiggle nut.

 
My pleasure! If you need any more help just let us know. Most people here are friendly, though as you've seen this evening, we get the occasional jiggle nut.
Yep. That italian "TT" guy is a riot. Clearly his explanations gave a clear understanding to everyone that the guy was fake. He even was debunked on Paranormalis I believe.

 
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My pleasure! If you need any more help just let us know. Most people here are friendly, though as you've seen this evening, we get the occasional jiggle nut.
Also, just a question: Is it true that someone named John Rick Haber was really impersonating Titor, and that he just wasn't real?

 
Also, just a question: Is it true that someone named John Rick Haber was really impersonating Titor, and that he just wasn't real?
That might be a question better suited to @PaulaJedi, @Darby, @KerrTexas or maybe another long-time member. I'm familiar with the original materials, but not so much on the folklore surrounding them or the other people involved.

 
That might be a question better suited to @PaulaJedi, @Darby, @KerrTexas or maybe another long-time member. I'm familiar with the original materials, but not so much on the folklore surrounding them or the other people involved.
He was the brother of the Lawyer supposedly hired by Titor's mother. Some people believe he may have been involved, but whether or not it was a hoax is for you to decide. :)

 
Huh. Did not know this. Thank you this will be vital to my report.Sent from my iPhone using the TTI Forums mobile app
You are a free spirit and an individual, so you have the right to form your own opinion. You will read about hoax claims and you will read about many non-hoax claims. Perhaps telling both sides of the story would make a good report.Basically, we have no proof that John Titor or his mother Kay really did hire Larry Haber as his lawyer. (Anyone out there, correct me if I'm wrong, please, I have a middle aged memory). I would encourage you not to focus so much on the Haber part, though. In my humble opinion, he isn't important in the legend. He's just a side note in my eyes. But again, that's for you to decide.

Good luck!

 
You are a free spirit and an individual, so you have the right to form your own opinion. You will read about hoax claims and you will read about many non-hoax claims. Perhaps telling both sides of the story would make a good report. Basically, we have no proof that John Titor or his mother Kay really did hire Larry Haber as his lawyer. (Anyone out there, correct me if I'm wrong, please, I have a middle aged memory). I would encourage you not to focus so much on the Haber part, though. In my humble opinion, he isn't important in the legend. He's just a side note in my eyes. But again, that's for you to decide.Good luck!
Okay. I should probably focus on how some of the things he (John) said were correct, and some of the theories that were included. Also I read this somewhere but has CERN actually create artificial black holes, and now they're trying to create a real one? Sorry if I'm wrong as I watch a video of an interview with the guy who made johntitor.com. If you would like to see the YouTube link please let me know.Once again, thank you all for helping me. This is a VERY friendly community. Much better than Reddit.

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