How Has Titor Fared on His Major Predictions?

Darby

Epochal Historian
(This is a cross post from an Anomalies thread that I started there today)

Here are some of Titor's major predictions to ponder. How has he done so far?

1. The US will go to war with Iraq over claims that the latter has nuclear weapons.

Did we go to war over (specifically, as he said) nuclear weapons?

2. There will be civil unrest during or shortly following the Presidential election of 2004 which would gradually escalate into civil war in 2005.

Was there civil unrest during the general election of 2004 that escalated into civil war last year?

3. I was "sent" to get an IBM computer system called the 5100. It was one the first portable computers made and it has the ability to read the older IBM programming languages {snip}.

He sent the label from the computer that he obtained in 1975 to Pamela as a show of proof of the veracity of his story. Was the label that he sent to Pamela from an IBM 5100 (manufactured in 1975) or an IBM 5110 (manufactured in 1978)?

4. I am curious… will anyone be upset if Florida’s votes are not counted in the Electoral College because of the current “confusion”?

Were Florida’s Electoral votes counted in the 2004 Presidential election?

5. It is a mistake to give anyone your unwavering belief...but you will find that out yourself in 2005.

This is an apparent reference, again, to the civil war in 2005. Was there a civil war?

6. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election.

Was there civil unrest circa the 2004 election?

7. They are not directly involved but political situations are dependant on Western stability, which collapses in 2005.

Did Western stability collapse in 2005?

8. I’m glad to see it’s so easy for to dismiss the Middle East. Yes, I suppose it is a no brainer but pretty soon it will be a “no armer” and a “no legger”.

Did we go to war with Iraq? Were we in a shooting war with Iraq while Titor was posting (Clinton Administration)?

9. The breakthrough that will allow for this technology will occur within a year or so when CERN brings their larger facility online.

Did CERN have a breakthrough in the Large Hadron Collider within a “year or so” of Titor’s posts? Has the LHD even come online as of today?

10. The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse.

Starting in 2004 (presumably in the fall during the election season) have we seen a series of monthly “Waco incidents” that have steadily gotten worse?

11. Based on the earlier questions I’ve seen, I’ve decided a day-to-day record of the Dow a day in advance should convince you that the messages are real in 1998.

This is in reference to the email experiment. Did any of the people who submitted their email addresses and messages to Titor via Pamela report that they received, in 1998, the day-to-day DOW a day in advance?
 
Titor is a complete hoax. Why would anyone need to go back in time to get an old computer to run some software? Just read the legacy computer programs and translate them into the "current" language. This is very common in the software industry. Also, does anyone actually believe there is going to be absolutely no IBM 5100's in 30 years?
 
Hi, Darby. Well we know what I think of Titor (hoax.) However, I think its the smaller "predictions" that he made that were the most compelling (and over-looked.)

He knew what the Segway (Ginger) was before it was revealed to the general public.

He said that the phone would go through the internet (ie, Vonage)

He spoke of "wireless internet nodes" (ie, WiFi)

None of these things were in the general publics knowledge base (or use) in 2000.

Doesn't mean he's a tt, but its interesting to note nonetheless, and you should add it to your lists of Titor's "secret" knowledge.
 
You cannot predict anything in the future by said John Titor.

This is, as it seems the worldline that he has come from, has a two percent divergence, from this host timeline.
 
Risata,

Actually, in 2000 Segway (Ginger/It) was no secret. Pamela and I both had looked up the patent at the USPTO Online. Here's the abstract for the patent filing:

United States Patent 5,701,965
Kamen , et al. December 30, 1997

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Human transporter


Abstract
There is provided, in a preferred embodiment, a device for transporting a human subject over ground having a surface that may be irregular and may include stairs. This embodiment has a support for supporting the subject. A ground-contacting module, movably attached to the support, serves to suspend the subject in the support over the surface. The orientation of the ground-contacting module defines fore-aft and lateral planes intersecting one another at a vertical. The support and the ground-contacting module are components of an assembly. A motorized drive, mounted to the assembly and coupled to the ground-contacting module, causes locomotion of the assembly and the subject therewith over the surface. Finally, the embodiment has a control loop, in which the motorized drive is included, for dynamically enhancing stability in the fore-aft plane by operation of the motorized drive in connection with the ground-contacting module. The ground contacting module may be realized as a pair of ground-contacting members, laterally disposed with respect to one another. The ground-contacting members may be wheels. Alternatively, each ground-contacting member may include a cluster of wheels. In another embodiment, each ground-contacting member includes a pair of axially adjacent and rotatably mounted arcuate element pairs.


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Inventors: Kamen; Dean L. (Bedford, NH); Ambrogi; Robert R. (Manchester, NH); Duggan; Robert J. (Northwood, NH); Heinzmann; Richard K. (Francestown, NH); Key; Brian R. (Pelham, NH); Skoskiewicz; Andrzej (Manchester, NH); Kristal; Phyllis K. (Sunapee, NH)
Assignee: Deka Products Limited Partnership (Manchester, NH)

Appl. No.: 250693
Filed: May 27, 1994

Everyone knew that Dean Kamen was the inventor but the Internet "hype" was just that, hype. The "its based on alien technology", "its an anti-gravity device" rumors were intended to build interest in the product.

Note that the patent was issued 30-DEC-1997 but it was originally filed in 1994. Both the initial filing and the issued patent were available to anyone who had a PC and Internet connection starting in 1994...six years before Titor started posting.

Its also noteworthy that the first Segway outlet was in Celebration, FLA. It was a Disney-Segway coop to introduce the "future of transportation" to Disney's flagship "future community" - Celebration, FLA.

Its not at all unlikely that Larry Haber was aware of this coop as it was being negotiated. because he was one of Disney's top attorneys he may have had a hand in the negotiations himself (my speculation - no evidence).

Internet phone calling was in its infancy in 2000. If you had a voice card you could make free long distance calls to another PC then. The infrastructure for regular phone calls via the Internet was in development then. The real problem was the cost - in 2000 most Internet accounts were dial-up. It didn't make sense to pay a phone bill to connect to the Internet to make an Internet phone call for yet another fee. The Internet had to "take off" first and high speed cable connections had to be developed. But it was no secret that Internet phone service was coming.

Wi-Fi was already a reality in 2000, though wireless cards were expensive and the security was not very good. Wi-Fi hot spots, as a regular item, was coming but the ISP's had to change their rules about how to and how many people could connect to a single account. But it was no secret.

The thing to do is to look at his predictions and then Google those items for articles dating from before January 2001. Titor didn't make a single prediction that wasn't a hot topic while he was posting.
 
Darby,
Understood and that is exactly my point. Even I knew of the rumblings of all of this stuff back in 98 because I have friends in technology fields. That said, it is the MAJORITY of people, these things being common, understood and known about things that was not the norm back when Titor posted. For this reason, he seemed to "know" stuff that the vast majority of people at the time, didn't. So if you "predict" things that aren't mainstream knowledge then, you can hook people. This was the key to Titor's success. Many people would'nt even know how to look up a patent, much less think to do so in terms of what the Segway was going to be. Titor preyed on people's ignorance, period.

If I agreed with one of the time traveler's claims on this forum that a new cancer drug that is dervived from a virus will indeed happen, would you believe me?

Only if you knew what I knew, what my background was, etc. That's my point. I dont believe in Titor anymore than I believe the moon is made of green cheese..but I CAN see why so many people were taken in by him.
 
Risata,

Ah...I get it now.


I was being a bit dense when I read your post the first time.

You're correct. He was a well informed person who assumed that at least some (if not most) people would take him at face value and not bother to "look it up" for themselves.
 
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