KerrTexas
Super Moderator
On 11/07/07 03:03 PM the following was posted by qbicle :
first i'll have to tell you that i only respond with facts, SCIENTIFIC FACTS.
So, this Zeshua-person, who claims to be a TT, will be unmasked, in this post.
"drumroll"
Zechua(yeah you), you claim to have a silicon/organic/quantum hybrid system, right?
Well, this is the one thing i know a few things of: the field of QUANTUM COMPUTING.
I study physics/logic/computerscience at the KUL(1) and at the VUB(2).
So, if you are from the year 2025 you HAVE to know that it is UNTHINKABLE of making a quantum-computer that is a HYBRID-system with a normal PC/CPU/computer, yes?
For the people who don't know this
and you are in this group)
A quantum computer is a kind of turing-machine that operates via quantum-mechanical-phenomena like entanglement(the 'spooky action at a distance'/Einstein) and superposition for operating datasets.
a 'normal' PC uses 2 states to store and manipulate datasets: the elusive one's and zero's that make up the rudimentary binary registers/memory/... to store things called BITS(e.g. 00 01 10 11= 0,1,2,3)
quantum computers use not BITS, but Qu-bits(QUantum BITS).
To go to the point(instead of boring you with theories) a quantum-bit (i like to call it 'qb' hence my alias) has also the same properties of a normal bit, except that it isn't confined to the MUST BE ONE OF TWO STATES.
(??????) As a normal bit HAS to be OR 1 OR 0 (on/off) a qb can be 1,0 or a superposition of BOTH(3). So this renders it as incredibly FAST and incredibly good for cryptology(logic-gates that can be both could make a coded message pretty useless for people without the actual key).
So, now that you know this, you should feel the water rising, yes?
If your computer(if it can be build, and used, wich i seriously doubt) uses hybrid-technology(you probably heard the term in a car commercial, NOWADAYS), it would LOSE the quantum-properties because a hybrid HAS to be compatible with the LOWER-end(being the normal CPU/pc) which renders it to, a mere 'normal'-PC's speed and losing the superpositioning of the 1's and 0's.
now the organic-computer throw-down:
wich isn't my cup of tea( to be hounest),
In 1999 there was a publication ,I don't know exactly, but it was either MIT or GIT that spread the word, probably you gained the idea from there(it was major news back then), about organic computing, COMPUTING(not compuTER).
In that article they said that they could do nothing more than adding, multiplying, subtrackting and devisions(yes, like a very VERY simple pocket calculater).
This field is still in it alpha-phase meaning that it rarely reaches the right conclusion, this is funny, it can, but NOT ALWAYS, give you the answer to mathematical problems if the numbers that are used are smaller than nn(00-99) e.g. 01+05 = 06 but not 99+01= 100(nnn).
From this we can make ASSUMPTIONS(i hate assumptions but WTH) that the usability of a organic computer is still 0.0(zero,zero).
So the claim that we will have a working organic-computer in the year 2025 is most speculative. Not that it can not be, but most unlikely, as in: the color purple exists, rain too, rabbits also, but the day that purple rabbits rain from the sky is most likely nihil.
So IF( and that is a BIG IF) these organic computers exist in 2025, they would LONG be out of their prototype-phase(most of the times takes about 5 years). Making it MINIMUM 2020 that they will be around. And now is 2007 and they still haven't been released out of their 'thinking-about'-phase.
Now the hybrid thing:
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. (no explanation needed, see above)
I hope that other people come up with far better stuff than this, because YOU are humiliating the species, including yourself, with such irrational idea's!
But, if you could give me emperical proof of your statements, i will have to congratulate you for being the first real TT.
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(1)
KUL Katholieke Universiteit Leuven ---> English: Catholic university of Louvain in Belgium.
(2)
VUB Vrije universiteit Brussel ---> English: Free University of Brussels also in Belgium.
(3)
BOTH= not one of two states but BOTH AT THE SAME TIME! e.g. a zero can be interpreted as a one or even a one one zero one zero....untill +/-infinity(explanation is pretty boring, trust me)
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Where are the rebuttal's to this post ? I would think that enough time has passed that somebody would have been able to refute what was said, yet, never did. Wonder why ?
Another thought that occurred to me was comparing my theory of the mythical Thoth as a likely time traveling candidate to the time traveling claimants in TTI.
IF we look at what Thoth, and Quetzalcoatl have been ascribed to have contributed to specific cultures:
The Egyptians credited Thoth as the author of all works of science, religion, philosophy, and magic.
The Greeks further declared him the inventor of astronomy, astrology, the science of numbers, mathematics, geometry, land surveying, medicine, botany, theology, civilized government, the alphabet, reading, writing, and oratory.
So, I can't help but ask myself if ANY of our claimants have contributed anything NEW regarding the same ?
The answer to that question is: NO ! on all counts !
The reason for this is because, so far, no claimant has been from the future, and thus don't have anything NEW to contribute.
Needed to be considered are the probabilities of any claimant being from the future.
If I am not mistaken, Zeshua in particular, seems to have posted just about the time when Spring Break occurs. That she is a college student, taking specific classes and using possible topics discussed in class, to throw into the mix of her posts here at TTI,and is just merely participating in a little bit of "college" antics on-line.
OR
Zeshua is actually from the future.
.................................................
When all the facts are reviewed, weighing the probabilities; It is far more "probable" that Zeshua is nothing more than a college student participating in some sort of on-line antics, and posting during Spring Break...and has either graduated and moved on in her life, or has entered into more complex classes, and no longer has the time to spend posting in an on-line forum, such as TTI, then the Zeshua alternative as supported by "some" members of TTI.
first i'll have to tell you that i only respond with facts, SCIENTIFIC FACTS.
So, this Zeshua-person, who claims to be a TT, will be unmasked, in this post.
"drumroll"
Zechua(yeah you), you claim to have a silicon/organic/quantum hybrid system, right?
Well, this is the one thing i know a few things of: the field of QUANTUM COMPUTING.
I study physics/logic/computerscience at the KUL(1) and at the VUB(2).
So, if you are from the year 2025 you HAVE to know that it is UNTHINKABLE of making a quantum-computer that is a HYBRID-system with a normal PC/CPU/computer, yes?
For the people who don't know this
and you are in this group)A quantum computer is a kind of turing-machine that operates via quantum-mechanical-phenomena like entanglement(the 'spooky action at a distance'/Einstein) and superposition for operating datasets.
a 'normal' PC uses 2 states to store and manipulate datasets: the elusive one's and zero's that make up the rudimentary binary registers/memory/... to store things called BITS(e.g. 00 01 10 11= 0,1,2,3)
quantum computers use not BITS, but Qu-bits(QUantum BITS).
To go to the point(instead of boring you with theories) a quantum-bit (i like to call it 'qb' hence my alias) has also the same properties of a normal bit, except that it isn't confined to the MUST BE ONE OF TWO STATES.
(??????) As a normal bit HAS to be OR 1 OR 0 (on/off) a qb can be 1,0 or a superposition of BOTH(3). So this renders it as incredibly FAST and incredibly good for cryptology(logic-gates that can be both could make a coded message pretty useless for people without the actual key).
So, now that you know this, you should feel the water rising, yes?
If your computer(if it can be build, and used, wich i seriously doubt) uses hybrid-technology(you probably heard the term in a car commercial, NOWADAYS), it would LOSE the quantum-properties because a hybrid HAS to be compatible with the LOWER-end(being the normal CPU/pc) which renders it to, a mere 'normal'-PC's speed and losing the superpositioning of the 1's and 0's.
now the organic-computer throw-down:
wich isn't my cup of tea( to be hounest),
In 1999 there was a publication ,I don't know exactly, but it was either MIT or GIT that spread the word, probably you gained the idea from there(it was major news back then), about organic computing, COMPUTING(not compuTER).
In that article they said that they could do nothing more than adding, multiplying, subtrackting and devisions(yes, like a very VERY simple pocket calculater).
This field is still in it alpha-phase meaning that it rarely reaches the right conclusion, this is funny, it can, but NOT ALWAYS, give you the answer to mathematical problems if the numbers that are used are smaller than nn(00-99) e.g. 01+05 = 06 but not 99+01= 100(nnn).
From this we can make ASSUMPTIONS(i hate assumptions but WTH) that the usability of a organic computer is still 0.0(zero,zero).
So the claim that we will have a working organic-computer in the year 2025 is most speculative. Not that it can not be, but most unlikely, as in: the color purple exists, rain too, rabbits also, but the day that purple rabbits rain from the sky is most likely nihil.
So IF( and that is a BIG IF) these organic computers exist in 2025, they would LONG be out of their prototype-phase(most of the times takes about 5 years). Making it MINIMUM 2020 that they will be around. And now is 2007 and they still haven't been released out of their 'thinking-about'-phase.
Now the hybrid thing:
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. (no explanation needed, see above)
I hope that other people come up with far better stuff than this, because YOU are humiliating the species, including yourself, with such irrational idea's!
But, if you could give me emperical proof of your statements, i will have to congratulate you for being the first real TT.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
(1)
KUL Katholieke Universiteit Leuven ---> English: Catholic university of Louvain in Belgium.
(2)
VUB Vrije universiteit Brussel ---> English: Free University of Brussels also in Belgium.
(3)
BOTH= not one of two states but BOTH AT THE SAME TIME! e.g. a zero can be interpreted as a one or even a one one zero one zero....untill +/-infinity(explanation is pretty boring, trust me)
-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------
Where are the rebuttal's to this post ? I would think that enough time has passed that somebody would have been able to refute what was said, yet, never did. Wonder why ?
Another thought that occurred to me was comparing my theory of the mythical Thoth as a likely time traveling candidate to the time traveling claimants in TTI.
IF we look at what Thoth, and Quetzalcoatl have been ascribed to have contributed to specific cultures:
The Egyptians credited Thoth as the author of all works of science, religion, philosophy, and magic.
The Greeks further declared him the inventor of astronomy, astrology, the science of numbers, mathematics, geometry, land surveying, medicine, botany, theology, civilized government, the alphabet, reading, writing, and oratory.
So, I can't help but ask myself if ANY of our claimants have contributed anything NEW regarding the same ?
The answer to that question is: NO ! on all counts !
The reason for this is because, so far, no claimant has been from the future, and thus don't have anything NEW to contribute.
Needed to be considered are the probabilities of any claimant being from the future.
If I am not mistaken, Zeshua in particular, seems to have posted just about the time when Spring Break occurs. That she is a college student, taking specific classes and using possible topics discussed in class, to throw into the mix of her posts here at TTI,and is just merely participating in a little bit of "college" antics on-line.
OR
Zeshua is actually from the future.
.................................................
When all the facts are reviewed, weighing the probabilities; It is far more "probable" that Zeshua is nothing more than a college student participating in some sort of on-line antics, and posting during Spring Break...and has either graduated and moved on in her life, or has entered into more complex classes, and no longer has the time to spend posting in an on-line forum, such as TTI, then the Zeshua alternative as supported by "some" members of TTI.
