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Giuliani sells New York as town he tamed
Republican candidate is at once running against the city and embracing it
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21301418/
By Adan Nagourney
Updated: 3:13 a.m. ET Oct 15, 2007
CHARLESTON, S.C. - It was a depressed and devastated place: a city shoulder-to-shoulder with welfare recipients, free-spending city officials and greedy lawyers. New York was, in the telling of Rudolph W. Giuliani , a haven of high taxes and high crime, crumbling buildings and filthy streets. It was governed by liberals and dominated by Democratic voters who did not agree with the ideas of Mr. Giuliani but who nonetheless twice elected him mayor.
This is Mr. Giuliani’s New York — his portrait of the city he inherited when he became mayor in 1994, presented to the nation as he campaigns for the Republican presidential nomination. His portrayal offers an insight into the decidedly complicated relationship Mr. Giuliani has with the city that has made him such a formidable contender for his party’s nomination.
Mr. Giuliani is at once running against New York City and embracing it. It is his foil and fodder, a laugh line and an applause line. It is the city he has tamed and the place where he stared down — as he tells appreciative Republicans to hearty applause — liberals, criminals, welfare recipients, big-spending City Council members and the editorial writers of The New York Times. At times, talking about the city where he has lived most of his 63 years, Mr. Giuliani sounds like he was a stranger in his own land.
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“I got elected and re-elected honestly not because the people of New York City agreed with my ideas,†he told an appreciative audience at the York County Republican dinner in Rock Hill, S.C., on Thursday. “They didn’t. They agreed with my results. You agree with my ideas.â€
“Gosh, there are more Republicans on this side of the room than there are in all of New York City,†Mr. Giuliani said brightly at a breakfast the next morning in Columbia, as he gestured to the right side of a dining room filled with builders and brokers. “So I am really comfortable here.â€
Mr. Giuliani’s description of how grim New York was when he rode into town — and the amount of credit he claims for its revival — would probably draw a skeptical reaction if he made it to many of his former constituents. For one thing, the economic turn-around that he touts was, to a considerable extent, the result of a surging national economy. And many New Yorkers found their city a vibrant and stimulating place to live before Mr. Giuliani took over. Beyond that, Mr. Giuliani, back when he was mayor, seemed more in tune with the views of his constituents than he now says he was: he supported gun control and gay rights, and promoted tolerant policies in the treatment of illegal immigrants.
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Still, across the field of candidates no one is as firmly identified and defined — and by all appearances, helped — by the place he calls home as Mr. Giuliani, and it only starts with his identification with the Sept. 11 attacks. One of his opponents, Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, has done everything he can to cut his ties with his home state, while Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton , the Democrat who is ostensibly from New York, almost never mentions her home while she campaigns.
Mr. Giuliani’s New York is certainly not all bleak, particularly when he describes what it was like when he left office at the end of 2001. It is also, in his telling when he visits rural parts of the country like Iowa, a city not unlike small-town America. (He is referring to Staten Island.) In Florida, where Mr. Giuliani is looking for New York transplants to lift him to victory in the January primary, New York is the source of shared memories: Arthur Avenue in the Bronx, Zabar’s delicatessen and the Yankees (well, maybe not this year).
“You know, one of the nice things about being New York mayor is that Yogi is a friend of mine,†he told a transplanted New Yorker in South Carolina, who stopped him for an autograph and to reminisce about the Yankees’ championship years.
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But more than anything, Mr. Giuliani’s New York is the laboratory that proved the failure of Democratic Party policies, just as his role as a Republican mayor in helping to revive the city is a vindication, he argues, of the very conservative policies that Republicans assert are at stake in this election — personal responsibility, low taxes and the right balance of civil liberties and security. Again and again, he tells wide-eyed listeners of visiting London before he became mayor and being handed a brochure, that was being given to New York-bound Englanders by travel agents, that listed 10 tips to avoid being the victim of a crime.
“You know what the last tip was?†he asked. “‘Don’t make eye contact.’ Can you imagine going to a city and being told you shouldn’t look at anyone?â€
He invokes the Time magazine cover headline in 1990 that most New York City residents would just as soon forget — “The Rotting of the Big Apple.†And Mr. Giuliani recalls the days when, as he remembers them, a New Yorker couldn’t walk up Third Avenue without being on the lookout for muggers, of the blocks of dirty book stores and prostitutes, of public urination and pot-smoking.
“We accepted pornography, prostitution as just commonplace,†he said to a conservative audience in Washington last spring. “We accepted street-level drug dealing as something we couldn’t do anything about.â€
And this in South Carolina, as heads bobbed up and down across the room. “There was a tremendous amount of crime. It was the crime capital of America. It was a devastated city in many ways. It was a depressed city.â€
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Mr. Giuliani may have a memory problem, underling reporting problem or maybe a little "recollection"...
Because The New York City we know about it is NOT HOW Mr. Giuliani recalls it...
Because Mr. 'McMonagle' and MANY MANY OTHERS recall a "different new york city"...
We love the METROTECH, over the Brooklyn Bridge, stories...
His favorite is the MAC-10 lunch time story...
His eating his lunch at the window...
He recalls an african american guy being chased on the street...
By 2 men... It looked like a STREET HIT.
Later, he went down to the plaza and someone told him THEY HAD MAC-10 machine GUNS chasing the guy down...
People at METROTECH rarely went to BARS and RESTUARANTS in the area... Because of the CRIME RATE
Of course, CRIME RATES are misleading if people don't report crimes and "certain" police officers don't log crimes...
Another incident, he loves to tell is the COFFEE story...
He went to support the LOCAL COFFEE SHOP a was followed in by an apparent CRIMINAL...
Who "hard looked" and acting like he had a gun or a knife in his pocket...
He never really went for COFFEE again outside...
THAT'S HOW BAD METROTECH WAS/IS... And what a place to put THE FIRE HQ at?...
And let's be serious... Crime was not report or reported by the NEWS ORGANIZATIONS...
It went underground...
Let's not forget "Evil Criminal Organization" NIGHT LIFE world... All the CLUBS and RESTUARANTS run by hyper-criminal organizations that have drugs, extortion and prositution going on all the time... And 'some' disappear in those clubs and NEVER SEEN AGAIN.
A great place to "have a good time" Mr. Giuliani...
There is and always was STREET PROSTITUTION on the WEST of LOWER MANHATTAN...
Just take a FERRY OVER or a CAB to the HOOKERS by THE BUSES...
Never mind NEW YORK CITY is CALL GIRL WORLD...
Everyone knows it... It's papers and magazines THAT ARE NATIONAL PUBLICATIONS!
Everyone knows it... When you come to New York City... The "fun" thing to do.. Hire a "girl call"
I'm sure HOTEL PHONE RECORDS, PAY PHONES and CELL PHONES will verify this for those who LIVE and VISIT THE CITY...
And everyone thinks ITS JUST GUYS... OH NO LADIES! We know about you TOO!
And how about SEX CLUB WORLD in LOWER MANHATTAN where S&M, Sex Sub-Culture and SWINGING go on ALL THE TIME. SOMETIMES 24 HOURS A DAY!
And let's see HOW ABOUT THE 'MOBS'... The RUSSIAN MAFIA took over under GIULIANA ADMINISTRATION...
As well the CHINESE MAFIA moving THE ITALIAN MAFIA out THE VILLAGE/THE LOWER EAST SIDE and LITTLE ITALY!!! And we hear 'rumors' that 'some' of those ITALIAN RESTAURANTS have 'eastern' owners!!!
And don't forget about Mr. Kerick... Mr. Giuliani RIGHT HAND MAN...
We hear he was an 'aspiring' SUPER CRIMINAL....
Mr 'McMonagle' secret hobby is STUDYING and FINDING the SUPER CRIMINALS... Hey, Everyone needs A HOBBY!
We Wish Mr. Giuliani Well In The Upcoming Election,
TheCigMan
Republican candidate is at once running against the city and embracing it
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21301418/
By Adan Nagourney
Updated: 3:13 a.m. ET Oct 15, 2007
CHARLESTON, S.C. - It was a depressed and devastated place: a city shoulder-to-shoulder with welfare recipients, free-spending city officials and greedy lawyers. New York was, in the telling of Rudolph W. Giuliani , a haven of high taxes and high crime, crumbling buildings and filthy streets. It was governed by liberals and dominated by Democratic voters who did not agree with the ideas of Mr. Giuliani but who nonetheless twice elected him mayor.
This is Mr. Giuliani’s New York — his portrait of the city he inherited when he became mayor in 1994, presented to the nation as he campaigns for the Republican presidential nomination. His portrayal offers an insight into the decidedly complicated relationship Mr. Giuliani has with the city that has made him such a formidable contender for his party’s nomination.
Mr. Giuliani is at once running against New York City and embracing it. It is his foil and fodder, a laugh line and an applause line. It is the city he has tamed and the place where he stared down — as he tells appreciative Republicans to hearty applause — liberals, criminals, welfare recipients, big-spending City Council members and the editorial writers of The New York Times. At times, talking about the city where he has lived most of his 63 years, Mr. Giuliani sounds like he was a stranger in his own land.
Story continues below ↓
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“I got elected and re-elected honestly not because the people of New York City agreed with my ideas,†he told an appreciative audience at the York County Republican dinner in Rock Hill, S.C., on Thursday. “They didn’t. They agreed with my results. You agree with my ideas.â€
“Gosh, there are more Republicans on this side of the room than there are in all of New York City,†Mr. Giuliani said brightly at a breakfast the next morning in Columbia, as he gestured to the right side of a dining room filled with builders and brokers. “So I am really comfortable here.â€
Mr. Giuliani’s description of how grim New York was when he rode into town — and the amount of credit he claims for its revival — would probably draw a skeptical reaction if he made it to many of his former constituents. For one thing, the economic turn-around that he touts was, to a considerable extent, the result of a surging national economy. And many New Yorkers found their city a vibrant and stimulating place to live before Mr. Giuliani took over. Beyond that, Mr. Giuliani, back when he was mayor, seemed more in tune with the views of his constituents than he now says he was: he supported gun control and gay rights, and promoted tolerant policies in the treatment of illegal immigrants.
Click for related content
Watch Times video on Giuliani
Still, across the field of candidates no one is as firmly identified and defined — and by all appearances, helped — by the place he calls home as Mr. Giuliani, and it only starts with his identification with the Sept. 11 attacks. One of his opponents, Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, has done everything he can to cut his ties with his home state, while Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton , the Democrat who is ostensibly from New York, almost never mentions her home while she campaigns.
Mr. Giuliani’s New York is certainly not all bleak, particularly when he describes what it was like when he left office at the end of 2001. It is also, in his telling when he visits rural parts of the country like Iowa, a city not unlike small-town America. (He is referring to Staten Island.) In Florida, where Mr. Giuliani is looking for New York transplants to lift him to victory in the January primary, New York is the source of shared memories: Arthur Avenue in the Bronx, Zabar’s delicatessen and the Yankees (well, maybe not this year).
“You know, one of the nice things about being New York mayor is that Yogi is a friend of mine,†he told a transplanted New Yorker in South Carolina, who stopped him for an autograph and to reminisce about the Yankees’ championship years.
Message board
What do you think of Giuliani's candidacy?
But more than anything, Mr. Giuliani’s New York is the laboratory that proved the failure of Democratic Party policies, just as his role as a Republican mayor in helping to revive the city is a vindication, he argues, of the very conservative policies that Republicans assert are at stake in this election — personal responsibility, low taxes and the right balance of civil liberties and security. Again and again, he tells wide-eyed listeners of visiting London before he became mayor and being handed a brochure, that was being given to New York-bound Englanders by travel agents, that listed 10 tips to avoid being the victim of a crime.
“You know what the last tip was?†he asked. “‘Don’t make eye contact.’ Can you imagine going to a city and being told you shouldn’t look at anyone?â€
He invokes the Time magazine cover headline in 1990 that most New York City residents would just as soon forget — “The Rotting of the Big Apple.†And Mr. Giuliani recalls the days when, as he remembers them, a New Yorker couldn’t walk up Third Avenue without being on the lookout for muggers, of the blocks of dirty book stores and prostitutes, of public urination and pot-smoking.
“We accepted pornography, prostitution as just commonplace,†he said to a conservative audience in Washington last spring. “We accepted street-level drug dealing as something we couldn’t do anything about.â€
And this in South Carolina, as heads bobbed up and down across the room. “There was a tremendous amount of crime. It was the crime capital of America. It was a devastated city in many ways. It was a depressed city.â€
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Mr. Giuliani may have a memory problem, underling reporting problem or maybe a little "recollection"...
Because The New York City we know about it is NOT HOW Mr. Giuliani recalls it...
Because Mr. 'McMonagle' and MANY MANY OTHERS recall a "different new york city"...
We love the METROTECH, over the Brooklyn Bridge, stories...
His favorite is the MAC-10 lunch time story...
His eating his lunch at the window...
He recalls an african american guy being chased on the street...
By 2 men... It looked like a STREET HIT.
Later, he went down to the plaza and someone told him THEY HAD MAC-10 machine GUNS chasing the guy down...
People at METROTECH rarely went to BARS and RESTUARANTS in the area... Because of the CRIME RATE
Of course, CRIME RATES are misleading if people don't report crimes and "certain" police officers don't log crimes...
Another incident, he loves to tell is the COFFEE story...
He went to support the LOCAL COFFEE SHOP a was followed in by an apparent CRIMINAL...
Who "hard looked" and acting like he had a gun or a knife in his pocket...
He never really went for COFFEE again outside...
THAT'S HOW BAD METROTECH WAS/IS... And what a place to put THE FIRE HQ at?...
And let's be serious... Crime was not report or reported by the NEWS ORGANIZATIONS...
It went underground...
Let's not forget "Evil Criminal Organization" NIGHT LIFE world... All the CLUBS and RESTUARANTS run by hyper-criminal organizations that have drugs, extortion and prositution going on all the time... And 'some' disappear in those clubs and NEVER SEEN AGAIN.
A great place to "have a good time" Mr. Giuliani...
There is and always was STREET PROSTITUTION on the WEST of LOWER MANHATTAN...
Just take a FERRY OVER or a CAB to the HOOKERS by THE BUSES...
Never mind NEW YORK CITY is CALL GIRL WORLD...
Everyone knows it... It's papers and magazines THAT ARE NATIONAL PUBLICATIONS!
Everyone knows it... When you come to New York City... The "fun" thing to do.. Hire a "girl call"
I'm sure HOTEL PHONE RECORDS, PAY PHONES and CELL PHONES will verify this for those who LIVE and VISIT THE CITY...
And everyone thinks ITS JUST GUYS... OH NO LADIES! We know about you TOO!
And how about SEX CLUB WORLD in LOWER MANHATTAN where S&M, Sex Sub-Culture and SWINGING go on ALL THE TIME. SOMETIMES 24 HOURS A DAY!
And let's see HOW ABOUT THE 'MOBS'... The RUSSIAN MAFIA took over under GIULIANA ADMINISTRATION...
As well the CHINESE MAFIA moving THE ITALIAN MAFIA out THE VILLAGE/THE LOWER EAST SIDE and LITTLE ITALY!!! And we hear 'rumors' that 'some' of those ITALIAN RESTAURANTS have 'eastern' owners!!!
And don't forget about Mr. Kerick... Mr. Giuliani RIGHT HAND MAN...
We hear he was an 'aspiring' SUPER CRIMINAL....
Mr 'McMonagle' secret hobby is STUDYING and FINDING the SUPER CRIMINALS... Hey, Everyone needs A HOBBY!
We Wish Mr. Giuliani Well In The Upcoming Election,
TheCigMan