even if titor was a fake...
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troydayton
Temporal Novice
Apoc, I would definitely agree that a civil war seems like a real possibility if the circumstances come together just right. Let's say hypothetically that the election comes down to Florida again and we see the same kind of election fiasco that we saw in 2000... a President chosen without a majority of the popular vote... I could really see a mass revolt.
I was absolutely fascinated by the the Titor legend when I first discovered it, and one of the things that made me believe initially was the apparent feasability of the things he predicted, like the civil war. A totally believable scenario.
However, the items which led me to the conclusion that Titor is a hoax were primarily:
1. The Roddenberry-esque vision of the future. No pervasive mass media, technology used only for necessities and not convenience, mankind recognizing our faults and turning our backs on them, etc... It's too perfectionist and Utopian.
2. The convenience of the time travel theory itself and the concept of "divergence", which makes it very easy to explain away innacuracies or predictions when they don't come to pass.
Titor acted like he wanted everybody to believe him and yet everything he did stopped just short of offering concrete proof. His predictions were anything but conclusive and his pictures were intriguing but insufficient. A fantastic story, an intriguing idea, and a well executed hoax.
To me, the most ironic thing of all is that there are now so many true believers that even if Titor came forward in 2008 and admitted he hoaxed the whole thing, the believers wouldn't believe him. They would stick steadfastly to their belief that there really was a John Titor from the year 2036, and they would label the real hoaxer as a liar for claiming he hoaxed the whole thing.
Personally, if I was the guy who did this, I would come forward with some proof and try to parlay it into some kind of hollywood brainstorming career or something.
I was absolutely fascinated by the the Titor legend when I first discovered it, and one of the things that made me believe initially was the apparent feasability of the things he predicted, like the civil war. A totally believable scenario.
However, the items which led me to the conclusion that Titor is a hoax were primarily:
1. The Roddenberry-esque vision of the future. No pervasive mass media, technology used only for necessities and not convenience, mankind recognizing our faults and turning our backs on them, etc... It's too perfectionist and Utopian.
2. The convenience of the time travel theory itself and the concept of "divergence", which makes it very easy to explain away innacuracies or predictions when they don't come to pass.
Titor acted like he wanted everybody to believe him and yet everything he did stopped just short of offering concrete proof. His predictions were anything but conclusive and his pictures were intriguing but insufficient. A fantastic story, an intriguing idea, and a well executed hoax.
To me, the most ironic thing of all is that there are now so many true believers that even if Titor came forward in 2008 and admitted he hoaxed the whole thing, the believers wouldn't believe him. They would stick steadfastly to their belief that there really was a John Titor from the year 2036, and they would label the real hoaxer as a liar for claiming he hoaxed the whole thing.
Personally, if I was the guy who did this, I would come forward with some proof and try to parlay it into some kind of hollywood brainstorming career or something.
Razimus
Temporal Navigator
From the perspective of children I can see that they might believe Civil War is possible in the near future of America. Tensions I believe were much higher in the 50's and 60's with racial discrimination, yet no Civil War occured. The Protestants hate the Catholics and vice versa but we're not in the state that Ireland is in, with constant war between the two. I believe this country is currently firm in it's patriotism and constitution. I don't think riots will take place either, other than verbal riots and law suit riots on the televion. Think about how the news will see a riot, "a republican/democrat threw a brick through the window of the local campaign headquarters", that could easily happen but it would look very bad for the patry. Rage, anger, hate, yep, civil war, nope.
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creedo299
Epochal Historian
Re: even if titor was
Creedo drinks the other half of Raze's unused soda, as she used a glass and pour some chips into a bowl for himself.
Pulls a picture of Darby from his wallet, looks at it and put photo back in.
*They shot a girl in the eye the other day after a sports affair.
They never use unleathal projectiles before for riots?
Creedo drinks the other half of Raze's unused soda, as she used a glass and pour some chips into a bowl for himself.
Pulls a picture of Darby from his wallet, looks at it and put photo back in.
*They shot a girl in the eye the other day after a sports affair.
They never use unleathal projectiles before for riots?
troydayton
Temporal Novice
Re: even if titor was
Creedo, you remind me of this person I used to know who never made a clear point for fear that ignorance would be exposed.
Oh, and anybody who pours some chips into a "bowel" really needs a lesson in tasty eating.
Creedo, you remind me of this person I used to know who never made a clear point for fear that ignorance would be exposed.
Oh, and anybody who pours some chips into a "bowel" really needs a lesson in tasty eating.
troydayton
Temporal Novice
Re: even if titor was
Clearly since you don't know how to spell "lethal" either.
Oh, and it non-lethal, not unlethal.
Clearly since you don't know how to spell "lethal" either.
Oh, and it non-lethal, not unlethal.
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: even if titor was
If he ticks you off, Creedo, I'd say that I'd be one who likes him!
Your insecurity shows itself again, Creedster!
RMT
If he ticks you off, Creedo, I'd say that I'd be one who likes him!
Your insecurity shows itself again, Creedster!
RMT
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Re: even if titor was
Pardon? >I< was not picking on anyone's spelling. I was simply pointing out that Creedo's generalization about troydayton might not be universally true.
If we want to talk about wasting bandwidth, I wonder how much has been wasted talking about JT. Believe it or not, there are more important things than whether or not this guy was a hoax (which I believe is eminently clear).
RMT
Pardon? >I< was not picking on anyone's spelling. I was simply pointing out that Creedo's generalization about troydayton might not be universally true.
If we want to talk about wasting bandwidth, I wonder how much has been wasted talking about JT. Believe it or not, there are more important things than whether or not this guy was a hoax (which I believe is eminently clear).
RMT
troydayton
Temporal Novice
Re: even if titor was
Oh, so sorry now. Don't mean to waste bandwidth, and I actually enjoy a good discussion on the unexplained. I don't have much patience for people of Creed's ilk though, so I got a little testy.
Don't worry Creedo, I don't like you either.
Oh, so sorry now. Don't mean to waste bandwidth, and I actually enjoy a good discussion on the unexplained. I don't have much patience for people of Creed's ilk though, so I got a little testy.
Don't worry Creedo, I don't like you either.