Dear John...

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If you're still roaming around cyber space and happen to stumble upon this I've gotta lift my cap to you. Do you realise how many websites you;ve got talking about your story?! It's impressive but you made two (possibly more) mistakes. Firstly, one of your predictions was that in 2036 the ice caps are not melting any faster than now. The problem is that nuclear bombs have apparently been dropped on all the major cities, for a number of reasons this would have melted the ice caps quicker. Secondly, you didn't count on me /ttiforum/images/graemlins/devil.gif If you were really from the future, whatever timeline then youd know that if any of the stuff you talk about goes down, I'll be on the front lines, deciding where it ends up :D

Also, seems strange that noone ever checked his IP number, perhaps have found out where this cat was. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

EDIT: lol, I've also just seen that it's Russia who launch a nuclear attack against America in 2015 - that's just cliched Tom Clancy stuff /ttiforum/images/graemlins/yum.gif

EDIT2: "Perhaps I should let you all in on a little secret. No one likes you in the future. This time period is looked at as being full of lazy, self-centered, civically ignorant sheep. Perhaps you should be less concerned about me and more concerned about that." - John Titor November 21, 2000 10:41. Hmmm, yeah right John, you probably just forgot about the demonstrations against the war in Iraq...
 
If you're still roaming around cyber space and happen to stumble upon this I've gotta lift my cap to you. Do you realise how many websites you;ve got talking about your story?! It's impressive but you made two (possibly more) mistakes. Firstly, one of your predictions was that in 2036 the ice caps are not melting any faster than now. The problem is that nuclear bombs have apparently been dropped on all the major cities, for a number of reasons this would have melted the ice caps quicker. Secondly, you didn't count on me If you were really from the future, whatever timeline then youd know that if any of the stuff you talk about goes down, I'll be on the front lines, deciding where it ends up

Also, seems strange that noone ever checked his IP number, perhaps have found out where this cat was.

EDIT: lol, I've also just seen that it's Russia who launch a nuclear attack against America in 2015 - that's just cliched Tom Clancy stuff

EDIT2: "Perhaps I should let you all in on a little secret. No one likes you in the future. This time period is looked at as being full of lazy, self-centered, civically ignorant sheep. Perhaps you should be less concerned about me and more concerned about that." - John Titor November 21, 2000 10:41. Hmmm, yeah right John, you probably just forgot about the demonstrations against the war in Iraq...
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1st, I'd like to say that I am still trying to study it all, and I am not FOR or AGAINST John Titor believer's... but what you said could be easily disproven man. Maybe the next time you come here you might want to come with a little more then this.

1. you have access to all his post's here. Read them before jumping straight to what you heard off the website.

Firstly, one of your predictions was that in 2036 the ice caps are not melting any faster than now. The problem is that nuclear bombs have apparently been dropped on all the major cities, for a number of reasons this would have melted the ice caps quicker.
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2. this seems like a little contradiction, first you say their melting no faster then you say they are. None the less, how would you know if your not from the future?

Secondly, you didn't count on me If you were really from the future, whatever timeline then youd know that if any of the stuff you talk about goes down, I'll be on the front lines, deciding where it ends up
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3. Yes, a journalist come's along and already knows the future just because he's a journalist. don't you love journalist time traveler's?

Also, seems strange that noone ever checked his IP number, perhaps have found out where this cat was.
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4. You make yourself out to be some type of professional in the sentence before this, then you say "cat". "Cat" is street slang. Also if you read his post's for YOURSELF instead of blaming us all, you'd realize that he was able to get around the IP issue. His IP does NOT show up.

EDIT: lol, I've also just seen that it's Russia who launch a nuclear attack against America in 2015 - that's just cliched Tom Clancy stuff
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5. You know why Tom Clancy and basically every other book novelist has said russia? First, you think about how America and Russia always seem to have their struggles, but secondly think of yet another conspiericy. The NWO. Russia is the only major country that is never mentioned in the conspiericy. Russia is the major country I would personally predict to attack us if ANY major country attacked us.

EDIT2: "Perhaps I should let you all in on a little secret. No one likes you in the future. This time period is looked at as being full of lazy, self-centered, civically ignorant sheep. Perhaps you should be less concerned about me and more concerned about that." - John Titor November 21, 2000 10:41. Hmmm, yeah right John, you probably just forgot about the demonstrations against the war in Iraq...
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6 (1). A lot of people do not believe the Iraqi war should have happened.
(2). We ARE lazy. have you noticed that half of our population is overweight?
 
Hmmm, yeah right John, you probably just forgot about the demonstrations against the war in Iraq...
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Things must be put into perspective. Do you think that in 30 years time, people will remember the demonstrations? If the demonstrations stopped anything, then yes, of course... history would remember a wonderful occasion in which people said they weren't happy and a government listened.

Unfortunately things didn't quite happen that way. People protested and well, the war went ahead.

James
 
The heat generated by a thousand 1 Megaton bombs (on average) in 2015 would be counteracted by the 19 years afterward of a "nuclear winter" that is predicted to drop temperatures 10-20 degrees. So yea, the polar ice caps would NOT be melting any faster. "John" also said that average global temperatures were lower than in year 2000. This would explain that.
 
The heat generated by a thousand 1 Megaton bombs (on average) in 2015 would be counteracted by the 19 years afterward of a "nuclear winter" that is predicted to drop temperatures 10-20 degrees. So yea, the polar ice caps would NOT be melting any faster. "John" also said that average global temperatures were lower than in year 2000. This would explain that.
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In the first few year's they would melt... it is the AFTER year's that they would freeze (if their not already melted by that time)
 
I believe you are right. But from "John's" perspective, there was no way for him to know about the melting of the icecaps after a nuclear war. I think most people that were still alive were having a hard enough time just doing that (staying alive). It would probably take nearly 5 years before anyone surveyed the icecaps to see what the effect was. Even then, it probably wasn't a big interest to the majority (is it now?).
 
It's not the radiant heat generated by the nuclear bombs that would melt the ice caps. It's the kazillion tons of micro-pulverized dust sent into the atmosphere that ultimately settles on the ice caps that would melt them at a faster rate (after the nuclear winter had subsided). The dust is a much darker color than the ice. It heats up according to Stefan-Boltzmann's Law (Black Body Radiation) and melts the ice.
 
5. know why Tom Clancy and basically every other book novelist has said russia? First, you think about how America and Russia always seem to have their struggles, but secondly think of yet another conspiericy. The NWO. Russia is the only major country that is never mentioned in the conspiericy. Russia is the major country I would personally predict to attack us if ANY major country attacked us.
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/ttiforum/images/graemlins/yum.gif Seriously though do you really think that Russia would quite randomly be ready to drop boms on America in 2015. I know what you're thinking - nasting Communist men are gonna get us but it's not like that at all. Russia is as capitalist as America now and dropping bombs on the states isn't gonna serve anyone. Plus, don't you watch Fox or any of the other right wing news channels?! It's evil dictators and Islamic fundamentalists from the Middle East who are the enemies now (p.s. Osama Bin Laden doesn't have any links with Sadam - they were virtually enemies!!!)

Also, something else that I was considering. Wouldn't John's presence in our timeline or tangent universe unbalance the fabric of the universe? Matter for all intents and purposes is eternal in nature, therefore to add more of it to the equation, effectively out of nothing, would cause the universe to collapse in on itself. Of course this is just one theory. But then if you were to counteract it by saying that it is not adding matter to the universe but merely shifting it to another point in the universe then you accept that time is absolute and therefore what has happened will inevitably take place (also cauing paradoxs in John's visit here) so any mission to change the past would be futile (including the removal of that computer thing that he stole from the 70s).
 
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Russia is as capitalist as America now and dropping bombs on the states isn't gonna serve anyone. Plus, don't you watch Fox or any of the other right wing news channels?! It's evil dictators and Islamic fundamentalists from the Middle East who are the enemies now (p.s. Osama Bin Laden doesn't have any links with Sadam - they were virtually enemies!!!)

1. U.S. has much more (like 600x more) money to spend on defense per year so every year the gap widens.
2. The U.S. are the biggest polluters and wasters.
3. Foreign policy (e.g. Iraq from start to finish)
4. American imports little from Russia (at least compared with China).
5. Osama and Saddam both practically got their starts with the U.S.
6. U.S. troops have been given stand down orders several times when the location of Osama was known. CIA and FBI were given long-term stand down orders for Al-Queda before 9/11. I believe that Osama is, overtly, very cooperative with the wishes of U.S. taxpayer's money. http://www.infowars.com/
 
I'm not really sure what your point was so I'll reply to what I think you meant /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif (that Russia in fact is a likely enemy of America)

World leaders and their advisers are not stupid. The Russian government know that America probably has more nuclear, chemical and biological weapons than any other countryin the world. Consequently, they would realise that if they were to launch a nuclear attack against America then they would be well and truly [censored]. Russia is economically and militarily greatly inferior to America and has no ideological motive for attacking it either. I just don't know how to communicate to you how absurd the notion of Russia attacking America is.

Also, my point about the big bad enemy in the form of Osama and Sadam is that it's all about public image. Just think about how 'the enemy' has changed over the years. There were the fascists in the form of the Nazis, when the Communists were allies with America and Britain (noone seems to mention the fascists in the Spanish Civil war any more). Then the Communists fell out of favour, so America trained our friends in Al Queda and gave them weapons to fight the soviets (I think Osama actually had CIA training). Now our enemies are former allies in the Middle East - Osama and Sadam (who was trained, funded and then told to remove the Iranian government by America). You see it's all very Orwellian. The American government works like a business, it's opportunistic in the alliances it makes and it tries to convince us that war is peace. Through the wars that it starts, the government is able to push through 'necessary measures' such as anti-terrorism laws (this also occurs in Britain and India to a shocking degree), infinging on human rights laws. My point is that the real enemy is always the one that the leaders of men decide it is. If there's a terrorist attack (whatever that's supposed to mean) then they decide who it was conducted by. At the moement the enemy is in the Middle East so any attacks will come from there.

P.s. you guys have to stop taking this John Titor thing so seriously. At least go and join a cult if you need something to believe in (I hear Christianity's doing quite well these days). I'm not trying to insult you by saying that this whole things a hoax, don't be so sensitive! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
For one thing, every one needs to do some research on WHY the ice caps are melting.
It has very very little to do with global temps, although it does not help the matter much.
The Ice Caps melt because of the solidity of the water. They are melting a little faster every day. The melt mostly on the north pole at the beginning of the Oceanic Conveyor Belt. Every year they melt faster causing the Conveyor to slow down due to the amount of freshwater being added to the ocean. When the Conveyor stops, then we have an Ice Age. The Conveyor ends around Australia at one of the known deepest trenches in the world, and then surfaces to shallow water (wash rinse repeat). The water from the Conveyor is over 2,000 years old.
They have been studying it for a long time, and they noticed that the solidity of the water in the conveyor is becoming less and less salty.

This is the biggest thing I thought odd when he said that the average temp had dropped a few degrees, but the ice caps were not melting any faster. If you do a physics experiment, the outside temp has very little to do with the speed of the melting. There are only two things that can happen.
1) they are melting at the same INCREASING rate
2) they are no longer melting and the world is getting colder due to the beginning of an ice age.
 
You might think that it's reduculous for Russia to attack us but they have more than enough missiles to complete any military objective, and the longer they wait the bigger the gap. They may feel that no matter what the odds are that they will be worse tomorrow.

Osama and Saddam are non-issue. Osama is the puppet of the CIA, and Saddam never had any WMD.

It doesn't matter if Titor was a time travelor. He discussed a very real potential scenario.
 
Your discussion of the Oceanic Conveyor belt was interresting. I have a hard time believing that global temperature plays no part in the speed of the melting of the ice caps, as you implied. Global winter would likely speed the melting of the ice caps for a time, but it would reduce global temperatures rather significantly for a time as well. If we had a nuclear war in 2015 then in 2036 it is possible that they would be melting no faster than today, but there would definately be much less ice. It also seemed as though John really didn't have any idea as to the condition of the ice caps, no matter what he said. He probably assumed that since there was not talk about the ice caps in 2036 that there was no problem?
 
I do wonder what the effects of nuclear war would have on the Conveyor Belt.
Also, the whether does play a part, just a small one. It is always well below freezing around the poles, but the salt water is actually what melts the caps. Now granted, human interference does play a part, but fact remains, if we were here or not, they would still be melting.

If you want to see something cool you can do an experiment in a fish tank.
Fill it with salt water, drop a hunk of ice (roughly 6 cubes) at one end of the tank, at the other end, start dripping food coloring or dye or something. You will watch the colored water race towards the ice and then fall beneath it.
 
The water from the Conveyor is over 2,000 years old.
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- Just a random thought... isn't all water 2,000+ years old? Unless someone invented a water-creating machine and didn't tell me. That or I have no clue what I'm talking about /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

-jewstinian
 
Perhaps I used the wrong word for my description.
It is the age of the water as in, that is how long the water took to go from one point to another during its Deep Ocean Travel.
 
What I was saying about the russia deal...

I'm not saying they WILL attack us or WON'T (though they have more then enough reason to. Every country has enough reason to attack us. We're the enemy's of the world, but that's just because they expect us to play god and fix everything in one day for them).

I'm saying that out of all the MAJOR countries, they would be the most LIKELY to attack us. Iraq and Afghanastan are not a big issue. If you honestly thought they were, you were lying to yourself. I wasn't surprised that they didnt have nuclear weapon's, their too poor, and the money they DO have goes to sadam's personal use (If he used for his government his army wouldnt have fell so quick). I hope everyone know's their major countries by now. I don't think Japan will attempt a second attack, they got murdered last time. China wouldn't because they have too many issues in their own country then to go to war with ANY country. If they go to war it's because they were attacked first. France won't attack us, even though they won't help us when we need it, attempting to break a major treaty (probably one of the most important) would make them look bad to the rest of the world. The only possible major country that would attack us is Russia, and if I'm not getting head over heels with myself... weren't we always in some type of war with russia anyway's? Just not physically. First to get to the moon, first to get Sadam (before joining side's), etc.

Edit: I also believe russia is the 2nd most powerful country (if not then close), and moving up quickly to america's power. If any country could go head to head with america it would be russia.
 
P.s. you guys have to stop taking this John Titor thing so seriously. At least go and join a cult if you need something to believe in (I hear Christianity's doing quite well these days). I'm not trying to insult you by saying that this whole things a hoax, don't be so sensitive!
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To be quite honest, John Titor is a hobby to me. When I'm bored, I'll continue on trying to prove he's a hoax (what I have right now would surprise you but because of a tip from a friend on these forums I have decided to keep it to myself. atleast i proved it to myself.)

Thus, John Titor is only a discussion to me now. I'll defend both side's. I know he's a hoax, but I could defend the other side just as easily. I like people to see both side's of the arguement. So, I'm not really taking it seriously or "sensitively" (when i start cursing then you'll know im sensitive about it), it's a hobby.
 
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