Charlotte Anne Moberly and Eleanor Jourdain

[PaulaJedi]

The Case of Charlotte Anne Moberly and Eleanor Jourdain

What exactly happened to Charlotte Anne Moberly and Eleanor Jourdain in a garden on August 10, 1901?

On this day, the women took a trip by train to the Palace of Versaille. After the tour of the palace, they decided to walk through the garden to see Petit Trianon, a small chateau where Marie Antionette used to frequent. On their way, the ladies became lost. After wandering, they found a deserted, old farm house with an old plough outside of it. They were growing very tired, but finally saw some men that appeared to be gardeners. One man told them to keep walking straight. At this point, they felt an atmosphere change as they came across another cottage with a woman in the doorway handing a jug to a girl. The women described the experience as seeming artificial like a wax museum. Something didn't feel quite right. There was no breeze, no shading, no twinkling of light coming off any object. It was very strange, indeed. They came across another man wearing a very large, sombrero type hat, and they described him as being extremely homely and rough. He brought them to the Petit Trianon. So, the women crossed a bridge and came upon a woman in an old fashioned dress sketching in the grass.

The women eventually had tea and went home, comparing notes on the incident a week later. The women agreed that the palace grounds were haunted. They decided to return one day and could not find the path they previously walked upon. It disappeared. Later, the ladies published a book about the incident called An Adventure (1911), under the pseudonyms of Elizabeth Morison and Frances Lamont. In the book, they claimed that they saw Marie Antionette.

So, what really happened to these ladies one fine day in 1901? Were they simply tired and disoriented? Were the grounds haunted, or did the ladies experience some sort of time slip or worm hole? You can read about some of the explanations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moberly–Jourdain_incident. There are many possibilities that could lean towards the incident not being paranormal, but what do you think? Were these ladies accidental time travel tourists?

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[Wicked]

How amazing would it have been if they did manage to travel time! But my best guess would be that they were fatigued, not imagining what they both experienced, but just misinterpreted it. On the other hand, I believe our physical world is susceptible to the human soul, and we each leave sort of an imprint, and sometimes our actions are mysteriously replayed, even after we're gone, like a movie replaying. So it

 

[PaulaJedi]

They wrote a book, too, so it might have just been some creative writing based on their trip. Mentioning Marie Antoinette probably helped sell the book.

 

[KerrTexas]

Amy Allan, from the Dead Files, mentioned a tweaked energy doorway of sorts that living people can ( although rare ) sometimes pass through, so maybe the two did just that. Don't know if I'd want to accidentally travel to be with Marie Antoinette though, bad timing could cause one to lose their head.

 

[Carl Grove1]

Had the two ladies been the only witnesses to time slips at Versailles, it might be possible to dismiss theirs as an isolated oddity, but in fact many other people have had similar experiences there. See Andrew MacKenzies' Adventures in Time. And there are now many similar reports on record from other locations, especially Liverpool, UK.

 

[Nicolas]

I remember Versailles as it was the most uncomfortable weather I've had ever experienced. Don't go there in February. The wind is so cold, I was almost seeing things as well.

 

[Carl Grove1]

Don't go at the end of August either -- cold and drizzly. Versailles is still a wonderful place, though.

 

[PaulaJedi]

Had the two ladies been the only witnesses to time slips at Versailles, it might be possible to dismiss theirs as an isolated oddity, but in fact many other people have had similar experiences there. See Andrew MacKenzies' Adventures in Time. And there are now many similar reports on record from other locations, especially Liverpool, UK.

I wasn't aware that other people had experiences. Maybe someone should go investigate. Interesting.

 

[Carl Grove1]

I wasn't aware that other people had experiences. Maybe someone should go investigate. Interesting.

These time slip cases are very much on the increase. I am currently developing a catalogue, and my guess is the final total number of incidents will approach 300.

 

[seivtcho]

Can it be some sort of fraud?

 

[Carl Grove1]

Not in my opinion. I've come across very few cases that suggest anything other than genuine bewilderment about what happened. Odd temporal distortions don't have the same clout as alien abductions or alleged UFO crashes, and get virtually no publicity, so there would be little motive for hoaxers. In the small country area I have studied I estimate that only a small fraction of witnesses have come forward; some have not even told family or friends. Now that it is becoming more acceptable to report such events the numbers of reports are increasing.

 

[seivtcho]

They wrote a book about that, right? They thought, that they hoaxed a ghost story. In their time alien abductions and UFO crashes have not been known to the hoaxers.

 

[Carl Grove1]

I don't know anybody who has studied that case who seriously regards it as a hoax. Some have argued that they were simply mistaken, but in view of the numerous other accounts from that location I discount that. Some areas do generate more time slip cases than others. The book generated no money for them, in fact publication was subsidised by a supporter for many years.

 

[seivtcho]

They didn't generate money from their book? Unsuccessful hoax then.

Which are the places, which generate more time slip cases? Are there tourists, who go there? Do the majority of the tourists have these experiences? Are these places hoax to attract tourists?

 

[Carl Grove1]

The main area for time slips today is Liverpool city centre. Since you seem fixated on the idea of hoax I doubt that you would examine any of the evidence with an open mind, so perhaps you would be better off forgetting the whole thing!

 

[seivtcho]

I would examine the chrono mirages, if I had the time and the money ? I have heard of some places with such things. Where exactly in the Liverpool centre? How often the chrono mirages appear there?

 

[Carl Grove1]

Most incidents occur in and around Bold Street, near the central station, but some have been reported further out. Over the last few years over 100 cases are said to have occurred, some going back to the 1960s. People were afraid to report them until a policeman witnessed one, and the report was given out on a radio show. Some go back to the 19th Century but most go back to the 50s, 60s, and a few much shorter periods. Many cases report full integration of the witness and interaction with people. Liverpool is now world famous for this and I know of two American researchers who are planning to visit there this year. Obviously the chance of you or anyone else having such an experience on a single visit is pretty small. In the area I researched cases are less frequent (20 reported over a 150 year period).

 

[Nicolas]

This is awesome. I've never heard of it. Next time I go to England I'll make sure I'll stop by Liverpool. Not Versailles though. The wind is almost as cold as the people there.

 

[seivtcho]

The idea for stopping to see it, may appear to be the main reason for the fake knowledge to appear.

 

[Carl Grove1]

If you search online for "Time Slips Liverpool" you're sure to get quite a few accounts. In many cases the witness is unaware that anything unusual is happening until afterwards. Many incidents involve shops in the main shopping area. Good luck with your visit!