Can time travel prove that death is not the end

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Carsch

Temporal Novice
Let's say I time travel back in to my past and there I kill my younger self? Will I die at the moment I kill my younger self? Or will I be dead once I return to my world of origin?
Now, John Tirtor and others believe that there are different worlds where we have other probable selves and existences. If that is so, this means that if I am to die tomorrow, there must be another world where I do not die the same day or time I die in here. This also would mean that I do not really die after my physical death. In other words, this is telling me that my physical death in not the end of me since I am also living somewhere else in time. Any thoughts?
 
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I personally believe, imho, that if you go back and kill your younger self, your older self will cease to exist when you kill your younger self. I am not sure how fast this happens, I believe time travels in waves, so the further back you travel the longer it would take to adjust. However this would probably be only a matter of seconds.

This is not the same as the Grandfather paradox but still pretty close. you kill your younger self but not yourself before you are born. Meaning you will still exist until the time that you go back and kill yourself.

ps : why would you want to off yourself?
 
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I personally believe, imho, that if you go back and kill your younger self, your older self will cease to exist when you kill your younger self. I am not sure how fast this happens, I believe time travels in waves, so the further back you travel the longer it would take to adjust. However this would probably be only a matter of seconds.

This is not the same as the Grandfather paradox but still pretty close. you kill your younger self but not yourself before you are born. Meaning you will still exist until the time that you go back and kill yourself.

ps : why would you want to off yourself?
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However, the idea is that there are several other probabilities where what I do not experience in here may be taking place (my probable selves). In other words, I could die tomorrow and yet there is another reality where I do not die until I'm eighty years old.

No, I wouldn't want to kill myself /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif I said that only for the sake of the speculation itself.
 
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I do not neccesarily believe in all of these other realities and timelines. I believe they all happen but the constant stays here. if Time extends backwards and forwards it would account for all of the paradoxes that are solved by Timeline/Worldline theory (that was popularized by JT). I am not currently of this belief but others may be and I encourage them to post their feelings on the subject....
 
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Of course, we don't have to believe ... but we can always explore the ideas.
 
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I kind of the like the "defined past" theory, not sure what it's actual name is. But it basically states that the past cannot be altered, so if a time-traveller attempts to murder his grandfather he will never succeed, something or someone must stop him from succeeding in his mission so that the timeline will be kept intact.

But I think your concept is more plausible, Ren, perhaps at the point of his death, the traveller is erased from ever even existing and the timeline altered. Sort of like a cosmic editing of sorts. I don't know, LOL, trying to make sense of this can make your head spin, but interesting to discuss nonetheless.

Like some people have said, "A paradox is a paradox for a reason." Maybe it can't be explained. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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I believe the quantum nature of the universe is why this theory would prove to be correct.

Ever study Schrodingers cat? You see, the cat is alive and dead at the same time. Which is why you can go back, kill your grandfather, exist to be able to do that and be instantly fizzled out of existence at the same time.

In quantum computing one atom can be in 32 different states which we can measure, as opposed to 1 transistor being in the on or off state.

For those unfamiliar, Schrodingers Cat
 
That is where I like John Titor. No one really has "Death".

He said the soul is a collection of infinite "yous" in the infinite Worldlines.

I'll write what I feel about it:

Between 1 and 2 there are infinite number of points. Likewise, between the year 1980 and the year 2080, there are infinite points in time. Each point is a Worldline. So we get infinite Worldlines. No two points in time are the same. If I go to the past and meet my former self, there are two souls which are the same but the difference is each one belong to different points in time. If I kill myself, my soul is returned back to my “baby body” in my normal timeline, to another point in time, without any PARADOX.

I know I am already 50 years old in one timeline(FUTURE) and also dead in another Worldline. But I am born as soon an I am dead. But I cannot feel it.

That is why Titor mentioned somewhere "Rebirth is often painful" for him.
 
"Let's say I time travel back in to my past and there I kill my younger self? Will I die at the moment I kill my younger self? Or will I be dead once I return to my world of origin?"

JT's method of TT was something to do with gravity. So it is impossible to reach a worldline with a 0% divergence. so always he goes to an alternate worldline which does not affect his.

He also mentioned something about traveling at the speed of light and a person traveling to his past can arrive with a 0% divergence, which is his EXACT Past! So paradoxes do happen there. If you kill yourself, u cease to exist or u get converted to bones!
 
If you are the one where your awareness is focued, this one "here" is who you are. And if you travel back in time, and meet your younger self, it would be like meeting any other person. Except for the feeligns involved of meeting "oneself" of course. And if you kill this younger person, he would die, like any person you kill would. I dont see why "you" would vanish from killing a younger version of yoursel, as it would be like someone else that is killed. You allready exist so I dont see how you can just dissapear, then you wouldnt been there in the first place (in other words, you would have been killed when you were at the stage in the life where you actually were this younger self, and would never gotten older than that. And that would been impossible since you allready are the older version, and experience life as this older version, so only solution is to me there would only be the physical death of this younger version, that must exist in some paralell timeline/dimension)

Kinda like instant cloning, you suddenly have another "you" and kill this other "you", even though he is some part of you, only he would die.
 
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Kinda like instant cloning, you suddenly have another "you" and kill this other "you", even though he is some part of you, only he would die.
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Interesting.. guess I am not following you on this one, sorry... /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
And that would been impossible since you allready are the older version, and experience life as this older version, so only solution is to me there would only be the physical death of this younger version, that must exist in some paralell timeline/dimension)
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That makes sense to me.
 
He said the soul is a collection of infinite "yous" in the infinite Worldlines.

I'll write what I feel about it:

Between 1 and 2 there are infinite number of points. Likewise, between the year 1980 and the year 2080, there are infinite points in time. Each point is a Worldline. So we get infinite Worldlines. No two points in time are the same. If I go to the past and meet my former self, there are two souls which are the same but the difference is each one belong to different points in time. If I kill myself, my soul is returned back to my “baby body” in my normal timeline, to another point in time, without any PARADOX.

I know I am already 50 years old in one timeline(FUTURE) and also dead in another Worldline. But I am born as soon an I am dead. But I cannot feel it.
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I would think that your soul is a dispersion of an infinite energy throughout the many 'yous'. So, if I kill myself either in this Worldline or in another Worldline, it is only my physical body which dies. That one particular expression of me in this particular time or Worldline could be still around ready to become another me into another physical body (rebird). Just a thought.
 
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I would think that your soul is a dispersion of an infinite energy throughout the many 'yous'. So, if I kill myself either in this Worldline or in another Worldline, it is only my physical body which dies. That one particular expression of me in this particular time or Worldline could be still around ready to become another me into another physical body (rebird). Just a thought.
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but what if you kill yourself in infinite worldlines, would you not in fact be dead then?
 
I saw this movie once about this, and its basically about several worldlines, and based on something like that when a person dies in any worldline, each of the other ones left in all the other worldlines gets some of this persons "energy" or "powers".

And the "bad" guy of the movie as far i remember, travel through as many worldlines he possibly can to kill all his other selfs to gain more power himself.

I cant quite remember more, or what movie it was, I'll try check it up
 
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but what if you kill yourself in infinite worldlines, would you not in fact be dead then?
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I believe the idea is that you are one of many, which are in reality all YOU dispersed. So is the idea of death only a physical thing. However, the real you never ceases to exist. So, you can only kill the physical body which is but a symbolic or external expression of YOU within physicality. Well, that is how I look at it. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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the real you never ceases to exist. So, you can only kill the physical body which is but a symbolic or external expression of YOU within physicality.
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SO are we talking about the possibilites of a soul and an afterlife? This theory seems to be metaphysical in nature, more philosophical than scientific. I have difficulty believing the existence of life after physical death of the body, at least a conscious life, because every sense of self requires a living body functioning in a physical nature. We need eyes, ears, etc. and a brain for thought processes. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this post...?
 
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SO are we talking about the possibilites of a soul and an afterlife? This theory seems to be metaphysical in nature, more philosophical than scientific. I have difficulty believing the existence of life after physical death of the body, at least a conscious life, because every sense of self requires a living body functioning in a physical nature. We need eyes, ears, etc. and a brain for thought processes. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this post...?
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There is however no separation - scientific, metaphysical or philosophical, it's all different ways and or alternatives for looking at a same thing. It is nevertheless only a matter of time until we can put the pieces together whether it is done in a scientific manner or any other way. But then, one thing leads to another. So is the nature of time travel, for with the idea itself comes other questions such as the possibility of another ME in another timeline, and so on. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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