Basic info on time slips

Itheblaze

Chrono Cadet
The mechanism of time slips eludes us still. We can only sift the evidence and search for some common denominators among the experiences, and possibly some relationship with known laws of physics. So far these common factors have been discovered. #1, A trigger factor that appears to set the occurrence in motion. #2, Abrupt onset of the experience. #3, A sensation of living in two time zones at once, either past and present or future and present. #4, A feeling of being an integral part of the experience or a participant in the action. #5, A noticeable absence of sound from beginning to end of the time slip. (this depends on time slip) #6, A marked difference is frequently mentioned between normal light conditions and those experienced during the time slip. A 'silvery light' is often described.
 
The mechanism of time slips eludes us still. We can only sift the evidence and search for some common denominators among the experiences, and possibly some relationship with known laws of physics. So far these common factors have been discovered. #1, A trigger factor that appears to set the occurrence in motion. #2, Abrupt onset of the experience. #3, A sensation of living in two time zones at once, either past and present or future and present. #4, A feeling of being an integral part of the experience or a participant in the action. #5, A noticeable absence of sound from beginning to end of the time slip. (this depends on time slip) #6, A marked difference is frequently mentioned between normal light conditions and those experienced during the time slip. A 'silvery light' is often described.

Where has this evidence and common factors been gathered from Itheblaze? Who has compiled this list of common factors? Is it your list or someone elses? Just interested..
 
Your local library should have them. They come in a volume of 26. I have the whole set and I'm always looking in them finding new things.
 
Jenny Randles is also a good source of info concerning the topic of "time-slips". This is subject that also interests me, and when I have a bit more spare time, will add more comments to this discussion.
 
This information came from Mysteries of Mind, Space, & Time Volume #24, page # 2864.

So what does the author say about the source of the data? Where did the author get the idea that these common factors are, well, common factors? Or did s/he make it up based on "feelings"?

The wording of the list of common factors is loose (to say the least), tends to be self-defining, has a built in "CYA" factor, i,e, "(depends on time slip)" and relies on emotions/feelings rather than concrete unemotional criteria. It isn't science at all.


 
This data was drawn from the many cases of time slips from people just like you and me. Unless someone comes up with a way that we can all just time slip or travel whenever we feel like this is the best we got. Just eyewitness accounts. Just like in a court of law. I guess eyewitness accounts would go right out the window too if time travel was possible but its the best we got right now. I really wish you Mr. Evil Debunker, would have the craziest, far-out time slip, that would just blow your mind. Then when you tried to tell people because you couldn't hold it in any longer, all the "Mr. Evil Dunkers," would come out of the woodwork like termites, and munch, munch, munch.
 
The description seems awkwardly worded.
Part of one or two of the things listed therein
might seem to pertain to a single instance,
e.g. sound's being secondary to sight
while "seeing is believing" may drown out
all noise usual to one's new surroundings.
My thoughts in regard to the subject list:

1) The trigger may not be recognized immediately nor ever.
2) Abrupt is right.
3) Mine was an awareness of suddenly being entirely elsewhere.
4) Self-awareness in presence seems commonplace.
5) Background sound was secondary to what we witnessed.
6) Initially, I reflected upon times when I've noticed more marked
differences in light and color. Then, suddenly, our discussion of
sound and light evoked the sensation of our having emerged from a tunnel.
 
I read your account of you and your husband's. Now that you have had time to consider it do you have any idea what might have triggered it?
 
Pardon my consolidating duplicate threads
as you last posted, Itheblaze.

Re:
I read your account of you and your husband's. Now that you have had time to consider it do you have any idea what might have triggered it?
I do not recollect entirely.
Part of my not mentioning our listening to the radio
goes beyond the shock of what I witnessed visually at the time.
The synchronicity of my husband's and my being mentally elsewhere
together with something either said or played on air
might have somehow transported us northward,
toward where we were consensually bound.
 
I really wish you Mr. Evil Debunker, would have the craziest, far-out time slip, that would just blow your mind.
Darby's username has opposite meanings.
Which is more applicable?
:confused: Dunno, but beware hoaxers who feign expertise in physics.
What you suggest sounds fun,
only that he'd probably deny it even to himself.
 
... this is the best we got. Just eyewitness accounts. Just like in a court of law. I guess eyewitness accounts would go right out the window too if time travel was possible but its the best we got right now.


Are you aware of the severe problems of "eyewitness accounts"? The human senses are SEVERELY bandwidth-limited, and at the same time the human brain has an innate tendency to "fill in the blanks" with what it THINKS it perceives, rather than what actually happened (which is exactly why sleight-of-hand magic is so entertaining to us). There are a huge number of scientific studies that confirm just how unreliable eyewitness accounts can be, especially if the situation being reported on is in any way unusual or stressful to the mind of the observer (i.e. a personal assault, a shooting, a rape, or situations where there is a lot going on in several different zones of observation). In fact, it is the fallibility of the human mind and its tendency to create things that were not there just to preserve a coherency of thought within the mind, is the biggest reason why any personally reported "time slip" cannot be taken seriously as if what is reported were fact. When stressed, the mind creates things to protect it.

I will not provide a long list of the studies, but this video is just one inkling of how eyewitness accounts can be absolutely wrong. What do you see the VERY FIRST TIME you watch this video in normal motion? Slow motion in this video gives us something that the mind does not have available when it views an event in normal motion and time.

CAUTION: GRAPHIC VIDEO!!


Now, you can leisurely read about what really happened and see the video in slow motion:

The Thin Blue Line: POLICE SHOOTING Watch The Video BEFORE You Read all the text.

RMT
 
RMT et al,

Re: 'Thin Blue Line a-v,' it is well to clear misperceptions.

Suggestibility is no less nor more.

What I likened to emerging from a tunnel
might be similar to one's being startled
during a state of introspection.
It was metaphorical. Also,
our experience was understandably startling,
though not terribly traumatic.

However much or little more I'll be questioned
in ways leading or not directed,
the gist of what I've stated remains the same.
The area was familiar to us,
that stretch of the drive was routine
and we went from point A to point B in nothing flat--
as in no way did we even have time to not notice
our traveling between points A and B.
That much anyone can believe or not believe
as I've nothing to gain from risk of credibilty.
 
This data was drawn from the many cases of time slips from people just like you and me. Unless someone comes up with a way that we can all just time slip or travel whenever we feel like this is the best we got. Just eyewitness accounts. Just like in a court of law. I guess eyewitness accounts would go right out the window too if time travel was possible but its the best we got right now. I really wish you Mr. Evil Debunker, would have the craziest, far-out time slip, that would just blow your mind. Then when you tried to tell people because you couldn't hold it in any longer, all the "Mr. Evil Dunkers," would come out of the woodwork like termites, and munch, munch, munch.

And in a court of law witnesses are cross examined by opposing counsel to test the credibility and veracity of the prior testimony.

In any case, in your fervor to "believe" you failed to see what it was that I was questioning in the previous post. I didn't attack the witnesses or even his conclusions. I attacked his "experimental design" as being faulty. The researcher bias and confirmation bias were obvious. He'd made up his mind prior to doing his research and, predictably, read his tea leaves to confirm his prior belief. That's why it isn't science.
 
And in a court of law witnesses are cross examined by opposing counsel to test the credibility and veracity of the prior testimony.

In any case, in your fervor to "believe" you failed to see what it was that I was questioning in the previous post. I didn't attack the witnesses or even his conclusions. I attacked his "experimental design" as being faulty. The researcher bias and confirmation bias were obvious. He'd made up his mind prior to doing his research and, predictably, read his tea leaves to confirm his prior belief. That's why it isn't science.


Just to make is clear what my objections are I'll go over the list one item at a time keeping in mind the following:

We can only sift the evidence and search for some common denominators among the experiences, and possibly some relationship with known laws of physics. So far these common factors have been discovered.

#1, A trigger factor that appears to set the occurrence in motion.

Trivial. Every event has a "trigger." If nothing else this complies with the laws of thermodynamics, and a half dozen conservation laws. Events don't set themselves in motion. This isn't a "common factor."

#2, Abrupt onset of the experience.

Undefined. What is "abrupt"?

#3, A sensation of living in two time zones at once, either past and present or future and present.

Self-serving, It describes an emotion not a physical law.

#4, A feeling of being an integral part of the experience or a participant in the action.

Trivial. Of course the witnesses had a "feeling of being an integral part..." The action was happening to them. Who else would they describe as being integral to the action? Not a "common factor."

#5, A noticeable absence of sound from beginning to end of the time slip. (this depends on time slip)

Does not fit the premise of "common factors."The wording itself states that the absence of sound is not a common factor.It is a "sometimes" factor, if a factor at all.

#6, A marked difference is frequently mentioned between normal light conditions and those experienced during the time slip. A 'silvery light' is often described.

Does not fit the premise of "common factors."The wording itself states that the "silvery light conditions" is not a common factor. It is a "sometimes" factor, if a factor at all.

In the end there is no statement about those cases that did not fit his criteria, why they are not included in the data and how that data may have changed the outcome of the research. For example, in the US the frequency of schizophrenia in the adult population is ~0.25%. If the researcher discovered that 2.5% of the witnesses had been diagnosed with schizophrenia prior to their experience would he include that as one of his weakly bound "common factors"? A 2.5% schizophrenia rate is 10X the rate in the general population. It might be significant, if not common. Is there any statement about the state of sobriety of the subjects when they experienced their "event"? Would it be important to include their state of sobriety as a common factor? Would it be important to look at how people describe a loss of consciousness event and compare it to the above criteria?

I'm not suggesting that there is an inordinate schizophrenia rate among the experimental population, that a certain number were intoxicated, were suffering from anoxia or simply passed out for some other reason. But it is a valid area of exploration because the above criteria does tend to fit the case of loss of consciousness quite well.

In any such experimental design the researcher is obligated to describe the experimental group in detail (yes, there are limits - the detail must be non-trivial).

He sifted through the data, found cases that fit his ideal (cherry picking) and included that as his data set. How do we know that he cherry picked his theory confirming group? Because he included subjects in his group as confirming the criteria that did not fit the common factor premise. It's not science.
 
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