Answers For The Newbies.... The 101 On Jonh Titor

xdj

Temporal Novice
now first off i must admit im also a newbie to this john hoax, just under a month of my time has been spent thinking about or reading the information. this is meant to be a quick overview of what questions have been answered. and some questions that defy logic.

3 years ago a person logged on calling himself a time traveller from the year 2036, he needed to go back to 1975 and get a IBM 5100 computer because the unix code runs out in 2038 thus all computers fail. on his way back to 2036 from 1975 he stopped off and visited his family in florida.

thats the basic story.

now the questions and answers.

it seems that his story of global war and daily living comes from 2 sources, read about the book ALAS BABYLON and the role playing game Cyberworld by Gurps.. their are too many similarities to be just a coincidence.

next he talked about how thier are infinite timelines but they varied by as much as 2%. now the quick thought on this one is easy, if you were to get in a car and point that car at 42 degrees from your house and drove for an hour you end up at point a. now get in your car and point your car 43 degrees and drive your car for an hour and arrive at point b. now a and b would be so far apart, john was surprised that our timeline survived the y2k without harm, but in his timeline the y2k was something of a disaster. now with the car example, if you change things even by .00001% down the line their are major differences. their is no way that 2 timelines can be parallel even if they differ by the smallest size. i also find it funny that y2k was such a major event that it still took science 36 years to try to fix the 5100 computer. if they had one computer melt down why wait 38 years to think about fixing something that people knew all along.

now on to his posts, john says his time machine created alot of heat, and it weighed 500 pounds. now just these 2 things alone dont add up, his picture shows his time machine in a convertible car, he has no sheild from the heat generated, also how did he lift the 500 time machine to put it in another car? their are more flaws in his story than facts that add up. i will post more if asked too.

now on to his time machine, many people have come forward claiming to know the name of the device, some examples, portable radiation detector, radio amplifier, transmitter, navy communicator, microwave, transciever, phone. now even the experts agree that anything with that many vacuum tubes cannot cause time travel, the age of the device seems to be from the 50's or 60's. their arent even any computer chips or boards on it. now their is a hunt by the john titor experts to genuinly identify the real name of the device. my question is "if everyone agrees that it isnt a time machine why still beleive anything else he had to say?" you cant disagree on one major fact but still believe the other facts.

now onto the imposters, of course many people have come on the net and stated "i am john" which instantly the experts again analyze and even question the new john. but again if you believe johns story, you have to believe the whole story, by this i mean, if john says im leaving tomorrow never to be heard from again, and i cannot return to this timeline, well why even question the imposters, people have information that only john would know, so they ask these questions, but even if he produced more pictures of his time machine and knew his SONG (john told a member called pamela about a special song) by his own story its impossible for him to come back.

onto the possible real identity, because this little story has blown up to become life altering for a few, their are people who talk titor daily, now when their not fighting each other once and a while actual usful information is brought forward, but the funny fact is people really dont want to find the real john, these are people that WANT TO BELIEVE. now their have been a few names brought forward that seem to fit the titor profile, now because i believe in peoples privacy i wont post them, however lately their have been 2 names that seem to match. now one guy actually writes books about science fiction(on a search of his email i found his email in germany that was JONT_@) now of course the people in charge quickly dismissed him as a suspect. you have to bear in mind these experts have waisted/used/lost/tricked (you pick the right one) 3 years of their lives on this story. so of course if you disagree with them you get pushed a side. now the other person who will remain nameless, it seems his resume screams JOHN TITOR, this guy worked on IBM 5100's in the 70's and also created the GURPS game. but again it was quickly dismisssed as false.

now onto why do it, one of johns first posts stated i dont care if you believe my story, i have no monetary gain. now surprise surprise a book has come out which is money in the bank, theirs also a radio drama coming out soon. if you search for it you can listen to the clip, seriously funny, you get to hear john shoot his family. now of course people will say its not john writing the book its his mother, well to those people i ask then you believe that his vacuum tubes and klystons are really a time machine?

now if you believe johns actual predictions you have to realize that john stated that the americans would be having waco type events every month, and be on the brink of civil war. he wrote both 2004 & 2005. so in a year it will be proven for a fact no civil war equals hoax. a few things that bothered me right of the bat from reading his posts, he didnt want to tell people about minor disasters like floods or earthquakes, he didnt want to change peoples destiny (very thoughtful of him) but he warned everyone about 3 billion dead in 2015. he says that russia nukes the us, but then the us becomes russias biggest trading partner. makes sense doesnt it? and he also states that south america is not effected by the nuking of the planet. but im glad he doesnt tell me about an earthquake in which my house falls down.

now i tried to keep thi small, of course i really condensed alot of his posts/predictions, and i also only wrote a few contradictions to his story. when it comes to the john titor story we only have his own words and pictures, so their is no more information that can be dwelled upon, but yet people 3 years later find more things to associate with titor, ex: titor spoke of how mad cow was a big problem, now because 1 cow was found in the us 3 years after johns posts, people are saying see i told you he was right. but of course when titor was posting mad cow was an epidemic in england effecting 100% of the all the cattle. not .000000000000000000000001% of american beef of today. we are supposed to believe that johns mom wrote the book, but nowhere does titors mom conm on the net and relate any personal storys of her son, she doesnt warn people of other things he had to say. john has impacted 1000's of lives, if i were his mom i would surely communicate with the very community that idolizes him.

feel free to ask any questions or add your own comments. but remember im trying to keep this a quick study on the titor story.(its as short as it can be) i have only scratched the surface here on why you shouldnt believe his hoax, and to ANYONE who truly believes that johns story is 100% you better be planning to move to brazil, theres a war afoot you know!!!! but of course not 1 person has moved away. i guess we all have mad cow and were to stupid to find brazil.
 
Well hello XDJ,

I see you're attempting a different approach here than on Anomalies. Don't worry, I'm not trying to be smart. I'm just saying it's a good idea. Well, welcome to the TTI... :eek:

First off, I don't know if you ever got to read my reply to your second thread about KSR before it was deleted, but I actually wrote an apology about the whole "y" in german thing.

I didn't realise that the e-mails you found belonged to KSR. Your post read something like this...
(well more of a paraphrase)
[...]I have found two e-mail addresses. One is not really significant but the other is based in Germany and is JONTY@ [...]

I don't believe you said that they were related to KSR and that's why I thought you had simply 'found' an e-mail with this name. I only realised the mistake after you were banned and the post was deleted. Sorry about that. This suspect was ruled out due to private info that Darby received indicating that the original poster of the thread had no basis for his claim. He was just trolling. No, I don't know what Darby received, but I trust his judgement. He has tried to end this thing many times!!

As for the other suspect... well he didn't write the GURPS game. He wrote a game called TimeTrap. I tried searching for it but couldn't find it. His father died during a period of when Titor was posting aplenty. That's not really evidence either way, but it certainly changes the opinion of the mentality behind Titor if the two are one and the same. This person also has pictures on his webpage. We KNOW that Titor used Powerpoint 3.0 and Acculead(I think?) to create his pictures. This person uses some unknown photo editor. At least, I can't make it out from the JFIF header.

Now I believe it to be a hoax. And I don't know if you've been to Anomalies lately, but the net is getting tighter. The John Titor Foundation have been found to have direct links to the original poster. The IP address of the seller of the book is now known. The 'new pages' are compounding it as a hoax.

There is no conspiracy to keep the story alive. It was all but dead, up until September of last year.

That said, I could entertain you by clearing up a few of your 'contradictions' if you want. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif But I have other things to be doing right now.

James
 
Hey Creedo:
and have been told, that someone has to be hard on me, in relationship to obscure aerospace views, which have nothing to do with time travel.
I'm sure you realize I am going to call you on your less-than-reasonable statements...and remind you of facts that counter said statements, such as this one.

Let's remember that YOU were the one who initiated statements regarding "obscure aerospace views, which have nothing to do with time travel", for example the shuttle and shuttle variants. I simply was not going to let you get away with things that were clearly inaccurate. Then, YOU were the one who said "I don't want to talk about shuttles anymore." And after this statement, YOU kept talking about shuttles, with more ill-informed ideas. So let me take a page from your workbook:

For historical purposes, I am hereby refuting said allegations by said Creedo, as to who initiated and propagated said discussions on said obscure aerospace views. This is in case there is a time traveler who is reading these boards, I want them to get the "straight-skinny".


Kind Regards,
RainmanTime
 
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where can i find these titor pictures you speak of where his machine is in a convertable
 
i think if someone has a real idea or theory should colaborate and solve the "jigsaw puzzle" that is time, anyone else that does not should stay and study "time" because its one of you maybe that figures it all out. if people want nothing more to do than make nasty remarks to one another its their own business but is not getting any "closer" to the answer. the answer is "closer" than you think.
best wishes in the "future"
the real mr x
 
What are you talking about?

Nobody would know that was you, as some of my aerospace post, go back before you were here.

Why don't you restructure your statements and say nothing?

You're elite aerospace, aren't you.

They don't owe anyone any explanation and bull people over anyway.

So whose to care, Ray?
 
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hey, you guys said you have pictures of his time machine in a convertible, but i haven't seen them. i've seen pictures of his machine in what looks like to me the back of the pickup, with a cab on it. and obviously it isn't that much heat radiated if a simple automobile can deflect the heat. the alleged heat was only enough to burn his flesh, which may be no more than the heat of your oven when you make a turkey or whatever.
 
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oh, and about what the first post was saying, with the car and the 43 degrees, what you said made sense. but, let's say you pointed your car at 43 degrees and drove a specific distance. then, you took your car back to the same place, pointed it at 43 degrees, but 2 feet to the right, and drove that same distance. your end point would be adjacent to your start point. the same adjacency as if you traveled twice that distance. think of the universes and their times as lines, pointed in the same direction. they all may start the exact same way, but seperate lines. these lines may curve and waver, however so slightly or drastically, but they are all ultimatelypointed the same direction.

now concider the wavering of these lines. if you drove that car, but this time swerved a bit, or you hit a rock or something, the endpoint may be in a different place than expected. it may be the same spot. bringing it back to the "lines of time", those differences do occur, but the length of time makes them insignificant. this theory is probably why john refers to "world lines" instead of "world degrees" or whatever. everything doesn't start from the same point. it starts from the same idea, but at a different point. i think john either knows exactly what he is talking about and you guys are dumb in comparison, or he is really from the future. i place confidence in the latter.
 
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for james: ya i saw your reply on the other site (i wont say its name) and i responded that i had read it but dick donaldson erased most of my posts because he said If they wish to remove a thread because it contains too many combinations of the words "To", "the" and "time travel", they can do so. If they arbitrarily decide to remove all of your threads because they don't LIKE you, because you've been acting childish and questioning everything they do, THEY CAN DO SO. this is a direct quote.

basically the other site is run by ego maniacs who run it like their own personal sandbox. if you disagree you get banned, actually you dont even have to break the rules to be banned, from my expirence their are no rules.

and as for the people who are using this thread to flame each other, i would like this thread to be about shedding some light on johns mistakes and basically a QUICK STUDY on the hoax itself.

and as for the pictures, i havent seen amy picture where the machine is in the back of a truck, i dont know how to actually post pictures but the picture in question is one where the machine is in the front seat, its in color and the seats are black leather, you see the machine in the passengers seat. but again i must strongly suggest if everyone agrees its not a time machine why even look at the pictures of it in a 65 convertible corvette. but on that note i encourage everyone to read and look at all the pictures, we live in a information age, dont make it a disinformation age. again please dont use this thread for flaming or knit picking about physics.

and as for the corvette john actually showed us a registration form the corvette

and for another contradiction(i will post a new one evry post)john talks about how bad the world is after the war, in paticular john says that the air quality is horrible, someone asked him about how he would describe the air quality now, he says "the air has an industrial tatse" but in another thread john says "the air quality is so clean"

and for the people that think the experts want you to know everything, they all have information that others dont have, but they wont release it all because its turned into a scavenger hunt, because they have invested more time on this scarade they dont want an OUTSIDER to figure it out.

and with my car example and 2% timeline difference, john would have us believe that worlds can run parallel or as you pointed out straight lines, in another example i will show you the impossibility of this, if you walk down the street in timeline a, you stop at a corner, light turns green you start to walk, a few blocks down the road you bump into another person starting a chain of events(words exchanged, pushing) ok now in timeline b you are at the same corner but after the light turns green you wait one second before preceeding, now a few blocks down the line its impossible that you would bump into the same person. now the possibilities are endless in which just by waiting one second later at a light changes your life down the road. now by johns definition of timelines he would like us to be believe that even though evrything is off by 2% that they will still run parallel. i will use an example from a movie(if people like i will explain this over without the movie reference) in back to the future marty goes back to 1955 and his whole purpose is to try to get his parents to dance and finally have their first kiss, now in timeline a martys parents kiss at 9:55 dance some more and finally leave the dance at 10:25 getting caught in the rain, so they run home and arrive at 10:40, then martys dad gets home at 11:00. now the rest is history. now in timeline b martys parents kiss at 10:05 they dance the same amount thus leaving at 10:35 again getting caught in the rain they run home arriving at 10:50 then martys dad arrives at home 11:10 which is 10 minutes after curfew, resulting in him getting grounded. so he misses 2nd date and they break up. now of course this is just one example of what might have happened but because they are off even by a little the end result will ALWAYS be different. by reading this very line your life is changed forever. as you go about your day just imagine you left your house a minute earlier, would you make the yellow light instead of getting stopped at red light. would you not miss the elevator, get the last piece of pie at cafeteria. again its endless.

timelines cannot run parellel, even by his own example y2k hits his world hard, now lets say that only 1 person loses thier job because of it, that person might get divorced, then the 3rd child they were supposed to have doesnt get born, now that kid eventually went on to be president, or a baseball player, again the possibilities are endless, but this shows that just by one person being affected by y2k the world can be different place. and yes 1 person can change our world forever, hitler, bill gates, michael jordan. they are all different but their lives still changed our world forever. even the odds of child birth are not 100% if johns parents had sex an hour later he might not have been concieved, he might have been born a girl. just the fact that your name is different by the littlest factor changes your life, if your name is albert in timeline a, then in timeline b your name is ralph. now when in school the teacher uses your first name as the order in which he/she asks for the answers from homework, you know question 1(as albert you get it right) but you dont know know question 14(as ralph you get it wrong) just this one example shows how your life will be different down the road.

ok i hope this shows how seconds now can change your life in major ways years later.
 
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i see your point, but i feel it is incomplete, and my standpoint is the completion of it. yes, one little thing can make a huge difference in your life, and tese cause small or even huge wavers in the time line. say there are infinate timelines with all possbilities, as john said. some of these would contain huge waivers, and be set drastically to the "sides", even overlapping other timelines. but their destination is still the same one, if you believe their is a destination. some time lines would contain events that made it hugely different that others, and some may not. as i said, there are all possibilities, and the number is infinate.
 
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i don't agree it's not a time machine, i am skeptical of wether it is or not. i don't see a phone or a damn microwave in those pictures, and i doubt there really is. and besides, proof of wether john titor was here and gone or not lies deeper than wether or not he said he liked the air in the future, and i think a convertable may do just fine depending on how much heat is created during a jump. which none of us know.
 
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you would be surprised at the photos that i have found that look alot like the ge 204. also say it resembles nothing but a time machine, in the future they would definetly use more sophisticated parts than vacuum tubes, klystons. but as i have stated all along this is just one part of the whole. you can look for your self at the following real things that resemble the time machine. google these.

1.gecophone
2.Signal Corps Radio
3.X Band - RADAR
4.Mass Spectrometer Analyzes
5.radiation leak detector
6.Combustion gas analyzer
7.DeForest model D-7 "Radiophone"
8.FADA Neutrola Model 185-A Neutrodyne
9.radio tester
10.Browning Drake Regenaformer tube radio
11.THOROLA ISLODYNE RADIO
12.Johnson Viking Match Box & Direction Coupler
13.Western Electric SCR59 Receiver
14.Colin B.Kennedy type 281 receiver
15.viewstar 1000 3-500z amplifier
16.Remote gas indicator
17.Rogers Batteryless receiver
18.Test Equipment: Precision #844 Meter

i have about 40 more possible devices. until someone positively identifies the real name, most of these will help you realize that fact.

so yes it could be a radio, transmitter, microwave amplifier(when i said microwave i didnt mean the kind you nuke your popcorn with)transciever, telephone.



proof of wether john titor was here and gone or not lies deeper than wether or not he said he liked the air in the future

well if i said i like the way vanilla ice cream tastes, then in passing 2 weeks from now i said i wished i could taste vanilla ice cream, but i have no taste glands therefore i have no way of knowing how it tastes. now of course this isnt proof that i am a serial killer, but what it does prove is that i LIED. john was all about physics, timelines, wormholes, but when it came to everyday questions about his world he made mistakes over and over. but i realize when i write about numerous mistakes people will dwell on the one that seems easiest to counter. so ya maybe he only said "their is tremendous heat and light produced" that his corvette kept him safe, ok sure. then how did he pick up his 500 lb time machine? for every specualted answer(made up) people come up with i have another that defys logic\common sense.

i said it before WE ONLY HAVE HIS WORDS AND EVIDENCE to work with, so if he said "my cats name is fluffy" and then later on said "i always wished i had a cat, but im allergic and cant have one" well statemants like these are slip ups. and just for the record he did not say anything about his cat named fluffy.

john didnt want to talk about his daily life, he wanted to talk about time travel and the physics behind it. he kept that side of the story straight. but if someone tells more than one lie, well that person is a liar. how many lies does it take before people will question the other things he said.

now heres my contradiction for this post(every post i will write 1 more) john says that in his time society is more of a hippy state where people trade goods with each other, his family grows oranges. he says that money and credit cards are done away with, but then he goes on to say that the army SIGNS HIS PAY CHEQUE. no banks, no money, no credit cards. nice of the army to write him a cheque. there goes the governments debt.

my final note here is its really easy to speculate about what john might have meant or that he made genuine mistakes that all people make, but again i say why so many mistakes, john did not just go off on long winded posts, everyone of them was well thought out and written out exactly the way he wanted too, when someone pointed out that he wrote both 2004 & 2005 he quickly fixed his error.

now if you cant look past the fact that he contradicts himself again and again(i only use his own words) then you will never find the truth, because its already there.
 
What are you talking about? Nobody would know that was you, as some of my aerospace post, go back before you were here.

What I am talking about is your poor use of language structure to convey meaning. For one thing, go back and read the sentence of yours that I quoted (which you have now deleted, so one cannot read the whole thing). There are several DIFFERENT thoughts in there, and since you use them all in one sentence, one could come to a false conclusion that one of the same people "harrassing" you (really correcting you) on aerospace issues, is the same person who may have been calling you and harassing you.

I needed to go on record for anyone reading this that I am NOT even "harassing" you anywhere outside this board. And one can read my posts to you and see I am not "Harassing" you as much as I am explaining where you are not speaking correctly about aerospace technology, or make claims that cannot be verified. That is not harassment of you, that is me executing my free speech to ensure others know that not all of your statements are scientifically valid or true.

Why don't you restructure your statements and say nothing?
You're elite aerospace, aren't you.
They don't owe anyone any explanation and bull people over anyway.

If you want to think the comments I make about your aerospace fancys are being "elitist" then you have a perception problem that I cannot be accountable for. As a professional scientist/engineer I want to make sure true and accurate information about aerospace is disseminated, so people don't get wrong ideas. This is simply my nature, Creedo. Like I told you, I sometimes work as a teacher of aerospace engineering at my university alma mater. If a student got up at the board and solved a homework problem with similar statements to what you make, I would have to correct him, not only so he understood the correct way to solve problems, but so the rest of the class didn't get the wrong idea!

And if you are referring to me as one of the people who "don't owe anyone any explanation" then you are simply wrong. In fact, my posts OFFER EXPLANATIONS of every technical thing I talk about, especially when it comes to aerospace topics. I explain to help you, or others, understand how we do aerospace design. If you don't want to listen, or want to call me elitist for telling the truth, then it is you who has an issue that needs to be solved.

I am sorry others are harassing you, Creedo. But don't write vague messages (such as the one you deleted above) that might infer/imply that I am somehow one of the people harassing you. I am not. I would be risking my professional reputation and security clearances if I were to do something like that, and I am not about to risk either of those.

Thanks for reading and understanding. Kind Regards,
RainmanTime
 
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