"Agreeing" with interdimensional counterparts

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chronovisor

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\"Agreeing\" with interdimensional counterparts

Say that all possibilities exist concurrently, running side-by-side (so to speak), unable to detect or affect one another's existence. The Joe Smith living in this reality, even if he presumes there is a Joe Smith living in several other realities, doesn't have the first clue on how to punch through the pressboard and shout a warning to his counterpart: "Don't marry your high school sweetheart," or "Bet on Green Bay!"

But, if all realities do exist, then there is another me sitting in a parallel universe typing this very thing at this very moment, only his sweater is green, not white (and he types "his sweater is ________, not green").

Get the picture? There are gazillions of realities, but a fraction of those contain like-minded, nearly identical individuals -- the same individual, for all intents and purposes, who, once one of them decides he would like to coordinate with the others, can reasonably assume that the rest of "him" will too.

So, what do they want to do together? How can they use their collective wills to conjure up the solution to all of their problems? Should they all wish to win the lottery? Surely one of them has already, so he may have no interest in monkeying around with the timeline, and drag his situation down to the level of his less-fortunate multi-buddies.

That brings up the next question: if all of the realities run concurrently, how could it affect the past for any of them? If I did somehow punch through and yell "Bet on Green Bay" to one of the other "me"s, he would just yell back, "That was weeks ago, dummy!"

So we'd have to coordinate mentally with Joe Smiths whose timeline was altered in some way; time for him was slowed down. The world he lives in never invented daylight savings time, or some freak astronomical anomaly made the Earth spin more slowly, or everybody is on ludes.

It would be almost like making a note to my future self to drop a garbage can on the head of my pursuer, then it just happens. So far, nothing like that has happened, mainly because I don't know how to go back in time. But, if inter-dimensional travel can at least be attained through sheer will power and concentration, at least that's a step in the right direction.
 
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Get the picture? There are gazillions of realities, but a fraction of those contain like-minded, nearly identical individuals -- the same individual, for all intents and purposes, who, once one of them decides he would like to coordinate with the others, can reasonably assume that the rest of "him" will too
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This general scenario remains problematic (the multi-universe/many worlds scenario). We really don't know if it is how reality works. But the good news is that there are now some good theories out there that should allow us to actually run experiments and see if it is so.

We lack a quantum theory of gravity that has been proven to be true by experiment. Particle physics posatulates that gravity is mediated by the graviton - but we;ve never detected a graviton. The LHC might be able to probe the energy level where gravitons can be detected.

But the real experiment involves determining whether gravity is a smoothe field as described by general relativity or if gravity can be quantized (particles - the graviton). So far we can't find evidence that it is quantizable. So we see it as smoothe.

If it is a smoothe field that has implications on what experiments should reveal. If you have these multiple realities layered on top of each other they should share the general gravitational field. Each of the universes is similar but not exactly the same. Mountains, for example, are somewhat different in each universe on the same parallel planet. If that's the case then the shared field should average the variations and attenuate them - the gravitational fields of the mountains should be flat. The problem is that today we can detect the gravitational variations across the planet as mountains and oceans pass under the satellite detectors. The variations are much much more than what can be expected if there is a virtual infinity of parallel Earth's plied on top of each other sharing the field and averaging out and flattening the field.

The jury is out but the evidence for now points to Many Worlds as not being correct. That's actually a good situation because we are developing proper instruments, proper experiments, proper theories of gravity and have the ability to state the case in terms that allows for falsification. Many Worlds has not been falsified.
 
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what about a mirror world?

Is it possible under altered perception to perceieve a mirror world (or specfic sensation) when all those around you observe the opposite 'normal' world/sensation.


If it is proved that the mirror world exists, then it might suggest that other could potentially exist too. In my opinion, science should look into this before trying to observe infinite potential across 'infinite' numbers of universes.

They might start to look at DNA...before Gravity.
 
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Is it possible under altered perception to perceieve a mirror world
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Olly,

Maybe you should explain what those two terms mean to you. Before attempting an answer we need to make sure we're on the same page as far as definitions of the terms go.

Thanks
 
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'Mirror world' - would be the direct, opposite counter part for this reality.

'Altered state' in this case specifically - would be to percieve the direct, opposite sensation to normal stimuli. I.e. sensing Heat when there is only Cold. Within which you had gone through a mental doorway into that mirror reality.

obviously there is a bit of an issue in disgussing this scientifically because there are any number or arguments that will state that this is not measurable and is merely a placebo. Each argument for each point of view, ironically has its counter-argument. Merely throwing it out there for thought.

I tend to be of the oppinon that perception is rarely created, rather acquired from sensory input under Will. If regular perception is radically altered, it is because you are not currently percieving regular or a usual reality.

It seems that the double helix of DNA could hint that we are all looked into a reality with an integral counterpart. Which may indeed be what allows the material aspect of the mind to interact with a mirror world.

Just as 'matter' needs it's 'anti-matter' in order to exist. Everything has its opposite. I was merely suggesting that a direct mirror world would likely be easier to scientifically prove, eventually, than a 'many worlds' senario.
 
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Olly,

OK. Thanks for the explanation(s).

'Mirror world' - would be the direct, opposite counter part for this reality.

'Altered state' in this case specifically - would be to percieve the direct, opposite sensation to normal stimuli. I.e. sensing Heat when there is only Cold. Within which you had gone through a mental doorway into that mirror reality.
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This one's a bit tricky when we talk about a world that is the opposite of this world. By "world" I'm using Minkowski's definition of the term - a universe rather than this single planet.

"Heat" and "cold" are relative terms related to our personal perception of the situation. Heat in general is a measure of the relative velocity of the atoms, molecules and particles of a system thus there really is no need to refer to "cold".

On the whole our universe has a temperature of 2.7 degrees Kelvin - 2.7 degrees above absolute zero (-273 degrees Celsius). Any temperature that we can perceive and hopefully live to tell about is actually incredibly hot. Antartica in the dead of winter is almost infinitely hot compared to the universe as a whole.

So now we consider a "mirror" universe where averything is opposed to this universe...and we assume that matter still exists. That universe would have a mean temperature of at least 373 degrees Kelvin (100 degrees Celsius), the maximum temperature where hydrogen and oxygen can just manage to bind to form water molecules. Any hotter and there cannot be any water because the atoms are moving too fast to bind and form water; without water we have no chance of a "mirror" world.

For the world to have a mean temperature of 100 degrees Celsius the stars themselves would be much different than in this world. Our sun, Sol, is an average G2 class star - most of the universe is composed of Class G2 stars. To raise the average temperature 370 K the stars would all have to be Class O stars, super massive stars, that have surface temperatures of 30,000 to 60,000 degrees (as oppposed to our star's 5,300 degrees. The universe would have to be a lot smaller or have hugely more mass for this to occur (not to mention a far different set of physical laws to form stars). The conditions of the Big Bang would have to have been much different in the erstwhile "mirror world". Class O stars don't live for billions of years. THe larger a star is the hotter it is. Hotter means burning fuel are a higher rate. Class O stars only live on the Main Sequence for tens of thousands of years, not billions of years like Class G stars. A Class O populated universe would quickly become a black hole populated universe as they burn out and supernova, the process by which the temperature is raised. Again, no mirror world.

Even if we discount the technical definition of "mirror world" we have an issue of how to measure how the other universe is opposed to this world. Opposition in many respects is a relative term. You have to measure one and then measure the other while having both share a common frame of reference. The definition of "other universes" takes into consideration that the spacetime continuum of one is not linked to the other - otherwise they are just different parts of a single universe because a universe is a single spacetime continuum. If the two worlds are not physically linked by this common frame how does one measure the state of one universe relative to the other without any common factors by which we make the measurements?

Last, the universe is incredibly huge - about 40 billion LY in diameter. We only live about 80 years therefore during our lifetime we could, in theory only, measure 6 billion very narrow strips of the universe out to 40 light years (one strip for each person on the planet) and come back to report our findings to each other just before we die. We have no ability to know what is going on in the universe "right now" other than in a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of our own local area of the far limb of a section of the Milky Way Galaxy. We can't determine the current state of the Milky Way let alone the universe as a whole. If we are so limited here how could we determine what the conditions are there in the other universe?
 
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This is odd....i could have sworn i posted a reply to this mentioning Anti gravity, DNA and a couple of other things.

Also you were correct...'opposite universe' was a poor term. 'Mirror' was certainly the more apt description. I did mention this again in my last post that is now AWOL.

I deleted the original reply then posted another. Perhaps i messed up the post reply function.

Will try and write it again tonight.
 
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Olly,

I'm busy this morning and will respond in depth later. Just a suggestion about doing major edits to a post after it has been responded to: It's far better to copy the original post, make the edits and then put it back into the thread as an entirely new post noting that it is a correction to the original. That way the posts responding to the original text still make sense - even though your original message has since been changed. We can then respond to the corrected message. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thanks
 
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