A warning from 2038

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DouglasGoerner

Temporal Novice
Hello to all.

Before I begin my post, I will first attempt to verify my authenticity. If the network admins will please check their logs, they will see the IP address that I am proxying through, and the system I am remotley accessing.

I am using a Mozilla based browser called Mozilla Netwalker, because of its capability to connect via "time proxy" as we call it. I can offer certain details on how time proxy works, but certain aspects are best left undisclosed at this time.

First: John is dead, as of last year he was shot by federal agents while on an operation up north; I am very sorry and I will miss him very much, I thought perhaps you would want to know given Johns attachment to this particular era. I know John because he and I were in the same unit and he was my trainer. I was originally assigned for retrieval but because of an injury to my cardial tissue, it was determined that time travel would be to much of a stress for my heart, so hence I am now the Network Administrator here in cedar creek. Not that we have much of a network.

Secondly: The Warning- The time line has only been affected by a few percentiles of deviation, it is possible this posting will cause a great deal more deviation, which is my hope. You are most likley aware of ChemTrails. If you are not then please research them and be aware of what they are and why they are dangerous. Most disregard them as conspiracy theory, I can assure you they are not.

Sometime in the near(NEAR) future, a particulate will be released in the western hemisphere, a synthetic biological designed by a rogue agency within the US Government to cause a slow spreading but completley incurable flu. It was meant only to be a test of the weapons capability, however in only a few viral generations it would mutate and become a fast spreading killer. The only way the virus was stopped was to qurantine a three hundred mile area, and smaller areas throughout the US.

This virus mutated once again and became a retro-virus, hiding it cattle, birds and even domestic animals. It would strike again. It is our belief that at this time, it may still be harboring itself we take many precautions in the handling of animals and screening handlers but we can never become to sure of our methods.
 
Bigger problem: He is posting a thread claiming to be a time traveler (or variant thereof) outside the established Time Travel Claims forum.

Challenge: I think the standard challenge to people "posting from the future" is and should remain: To convince us, all you need to do is go back to a point in our (2005) relative past and add a post at that time. We will see it as pre-dated from this nonsense, and that should establish some level of credibility. If you can't do that, then you ain't posting from our future.

RMT
 
all you need to do is go back to a point in our (2005) relative past and add a post at that time.
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One form of tt, the one described by titor, does not allow one to go back on the same time line and change the future. Adding a post would be changing the future.

Instead, a new time line is created when one lands in the past. Also, he claimed that zd was not possible with his device. What you describe would require zd to land on the exact same time line.

His description does eliminate the paradoxes associated with time travel.
 
MEM,
One form of tt, the one described by titor, does not allow one to go back on the same time line and change the future. Adding a post would be changing the future.

Instead, a new time line is created when one lands in the past. Also, he claimed that zd was not possible with his device. What you describe would require zd to land on the exact same time line.

His description does eliminate the paradoxes associated with time travel.
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But again, this is based on the assumption that Titor was telling the truth. My challenge does not require that to be true, and only takes the claimant at what he is claiming. Given this poster's message, it appears that he is claiming the ability to "post-date" a post back into our time from his. Would you agree that this is his claim? Therefore, if he was able to reliably "hit" us at this board such that it would be here from now on, then by his own implied capabilities, he ought to be able to pick any time in our past, hit this same board, and we should see it here.

All without having to rely on anything Titor said, and only having to rely on this guy's claim of capability.

RMT
 
But again, this is based on the assumption that Titor was telling the truth.
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No. Only that your test can not be used to test his theory, according to his explaination of tt. It has nothing to do with assuming he was telling the truth.
 
If there are so many different world lines, as JT stated, wouldn't it be a shot in the dark to find the exact same one he was on and cont. the exact same story?
 
Only that your test can not be used to test his theory, according to his explaination of tt. It has nothing to do with assuming he was telling the truth.
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Uhhhh... you just said "according to his explanation of tt". Now maybe my grammar and diction has not gone thru Update Titor.2, but from what I know of English, you are admitting that you are relying on Titor's explanation of tt as a means to show my test cannot be used.

I don't want you thinking I am being sarcastic here, and don't want yet another flame war to erupt. But I cannot see how you can claim my test will not work UNLESS you rely on Titor's explanation of TT being true. And again I must point out that my test relies only on causality and the ordering of events that we are aware of.

RMT

PS - BTW, this distinction I am trying to make is crucial to the whole Titor saga and why it flys in the face of science. Too many people rely on the veracity of Titor's explanations as a means to try to falsify people's debunking of Titor. And that's just not copacetic. If you can glean no verifiable, truthful statements from Titor's explanations of TT, then you simply cannot rely on them...at all!
 
I'm not even sure this is worth it but I'll give it one try.

You claim that to prove someone is a tt all they have to do is go back to "our" past, post a message, and the post will prove they can tt.

Titor claimed that tt did not work that way. According to titor he could tt but not to the past on the same time line. He call that zd.

Do you have to believe titor is real to test his theory. No. Do you have to understand the basics of how he says tt works. Yes.

The only thing your test proves is your theory of tt is different from his.
 
I'm not even sure this is worth it but I'll give it one try.
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I'd have to say you failed.
You claim that to prove someone is a tt all they have to do is go back to "our" past, post a message, and the post will prove they can tt.
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No. Never have I claimed to prove anything. Rather, if read carefully, I have stated that if this poster wishes to provide evidence that they can post messages to our board, in our time, that all they need do is post to a time earlier than this. I have done nothing more than offer a venue by which this poster can give evidence for THEIR claims.
Titor claimed that tt did not work that way.
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Yes, he did claim that.
According to titor he could tt but not to the past on the same time line. He call that zd.
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Yes, and if you are going to accept that, then you must, by the very nature of belief, believe that what Titor was telling you is true.
Do you have to believe titor is real to test his theory. No.
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And once again we have you changing the topic. If you will note clearly above, it is not about believing Titor, himself, was real. The point of my post above is that you must believe what he told you to be true, as being true, in order for your refutation of my test to work.
Do you have to understand the basics of how he says tt works. Yes.
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No. You don't even need to understand it if you believe it. You have no proof that the way he says TT works is actually how it works. Therefore, understanding it is not part of the issue here. What is at issue is that you cannot prove that his described method of TT is true, and therefore you must believe it in spite of not having proof.
The only thing your test proves is your theory of tt is different from his.
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And again, my test is not intended to be a proof. It is a means for the poster to show evidence. Evidence does not constitute complete proof. And yet... if this poster WERE able to pull this off given the nature of Time and how this board accumulates posts over Time, it would certainly be a darned good bit of evidence to substantiate the claims.

You've twisted the topic, MEM. And you have not shown me how you are not relying on belief in what Titor said as true to defeat my challenge. It would also help in our mutual understanding if you answer the questions I put to you, rather than avoid them. But if your purpose is to obfuscate, then ignoring my questions suits your purpose.
RMT
 
Hello again.

I did not post this to prove to you that time travel is possible. I have not traversed time, only THIS information is traversing time. As I said, time traveling for me is a health hazard.

There are small, wild streams that exist throughout the universe, these wild streams are particulary abundent near black holes and other bodies of sufficient mass. Since they are displaced by their close proximity to singularities, time becomes either very slow or very fast depending upon the nature of the wild stream.

It is possible to stop light long enough to store information, very large amounts of information actually, and then direct the light into the appropriate wild stream. That information would then exist simultaneously within BOTH time frames. In order to determine which wild stream is neccesary to transmit information, one need only measure the level of molecular decay relative to light.

However, once a wild stream is lost it can take days, weeks or months to access the stream again, if ever. Hence wild.

Before you get caught up in debating weather or not "TT" is possible, or weather a virus can mutate into a retro virus.(Which they CAN, please consult your medical journals.)

Consider the message.

Now I understand how Cassandra felt.

I shall not bother to post again, Titor was right about you. The effort would be wasted.

As for relying on what Titor said: He told me that he had lingered here for a bit and had made a few friends, he realized that they would all be dead when he came home. He really wondered weather everything we had been taught about this era was really all that true, he decided that it was and that he would not make the mistake of conversing with ghost again at least not until he was an old man because he wanted to come back for someone who he really thought was above and beyond the persons of the era.

We argue here weather or not a deviation within the time-line is evidence that time can be radically altered, time is not paradoxal but it runs so very close together that one hardly notices the difference.
 
Hello Douglas,
I have not traversed time, only THIS information is traversing time.
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First, don't think for a minute I believe that you are from 2038. But that should not offend you. Second, even though I don't believe you, I am quite interested in how information is something that can (and does) exist outside of any linear temporal sequence. So, if you're willing to drop the sham, I'd be interested in discussing the scientific aspects of information with you, as it directly relates to my own pet research that information is a metric at a higher dimensionality than physical energy. If you insist on the claim you are from 2038, then I suggest you post in the "claims" forum and not this one. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

It is possible to stop light long enough to store information, very large amounts of information actually, and then direct the light into the appropriate wild stream. That information would then exist simultaneously within BOTH time frames. In order to determine which wild stream is neccesary to transmit information, one need only measure the level of molecular decay relative to light.
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Now that's a "wild" story. But there could be some nuggets of truth hiding in it that are wanting to be verified. I'm interested.

However, once a wild stream is lost it can take days, weeks or months to access the stream again, if ever.
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This would tell me that you understand time to be a linearly "flowing" phenomenon, which is just how our senses perceive it. Didn't Einstein show us that time is relative to an observer?

I shall not bother to post again, Titor was right about you.
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1) Titor was a bunch of baloney. 2) Too bad you won't post again... I would like to discuss some things with you (see above). If you insist on being from 2038, then please move to the other forum.

Thanks,
RMT
 
Can't say I didn't try. Nothing more to add. Next time I'll stick to bashing my head against a concrete wall. It seems to be more productive than responding to RMT posts.
 
Next time I'll stick to bashing my head against a concrete wall. It seems to be more productive than responding to RMT posts.
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Yep. Always easier to make fun of me than it is to respond to the valid points I make about scientific method and falsifiability. Which reminds me... I did mean to respond to another post you had made over the weekend... I'd better hope to that.

RMT
 
Ok Doug (my brothers name!) I'll bite!

Hello again.

I did not post this to prove to you that time travel is possible. I have not traversed time, only THIS information is traversing time. As I said, time traveling for me is a health hazard.
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Do you know Zeshua? She would have been the "mother" of the technology you are using. If so what is her real name? You can PM me this info.

Thanks

CMAY
 
CMAY...7 months as a registered user and this is your first post????

Cool.


^^^btw, that's not a slam or anything, I just found that interesting.
 
The problem of similar but not the same timelines as told by P.M. is that if these timelines are very close, they share information, but not necessarily the same destinies.

What does not figure, as told by close associate to Titor a P.M., is that apparently she became enamored by Mr. Titor.

P.M. became emotionally upset, in her relationship with Titor, as she, it seems in her sayings, purports a type of romantic involvement.

There is no promise that these timeline, although close, will stay in proximity of one another.

If this is a second to their telling of the same event, then by timeline rules, then these timeline could have moved further apart.

This would act as a big splash in-between two ships, traveling a parallel course.

So the proximity of these two timelines, is not promised.
 
"CMAY...7 months as a registered user and this is your first post????
Cool.
^^^btw, that's not a slam or anything, I just found that interesting."

A time traveler made me do it!
 
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