A Question About Sound

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We've all read black words on a white background, and white words on a black background-- the 'colors' are reversed.

But what about sound? Let's suppose that you could impress a message on uniform noise, maybe white noise, with the requirement that the message was silence rather than sound. The reverse of normal sound.

The question is: would we understand the message, or not?

I can't quite imagine how it would sound? We can hear a gap in noise, but modulated gaps? /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
That sounds like the technology that's been invented to create zones of silence by creating the exact reverse of whatever ambient sound is present and putting it out through speakers. They use similar technology to put out the exact reverse of a submarine's drive to create a zone of silence around it as it tootles along underwater.
 
Re Rembrandt: Greetings.

Not what you described--that's counter sound.

Actually the question came up in my mind while I was trying to figure out how is, as that it seems to be, that messages in Electronic Voice Communication seem to be not only impressed on background noise, but constructed from it (I have experienced this).It think it occurs differently, though. More like if you amplified ambient noise, but at or before the loud speaker you modulated it with a voice message. Maybe one could do this by varying the impedance of the speaker coil.

If you could figure out how to duplicate the effect, maybe it would be possible to make a better instrument.
PB
 
No--I just googled it, and it's unfamiliar to me. I was thinking of spiricom (George Meek's approach)
which seemed to be a hoax when I visited it years ago.

E.V.P. uses an ordinary tape recorder that records the ambient sound in a room. Often people ask questions. On play back, voices are sometimes heard. But, like most other things paranormal, there is ample room for doubt. The messages seem to be compressed, faint, and as if an effort of will was required to communicate. They sound run-together. Or maybe they sound like someone shouting at you from a passing car, or boat, the message is compressed to get it through. Or, maybe they sound like thoughts would sound if you could hear them.

As far as I know, none of the gadgets that are supposed to be an improvement do much more than a recorder.
PB
 
I mean to have another look at it as well, along with the other 499 sites I have put a shortcut to on my machine. I can't see the background on the screen for shortcuts.
 
Maybe time is being compressed as we are merged in the photon field as we approach the galactic plane. We are now experiencing 16 hours a day instead of 24. Oh no,wait a foreshortened minute, we've already been through some kind of beam in 2006. I must've missed it:-
Google uv newciv The direct link dosn't work anymore. The second item on the page is the best looking.
 
E.V.P. uses an ordinary tape recorder that records the ambient sound in a room. Often people ask questions. On play back, voices are sometimes heard. But, like most other things paranormal, there is ample room for doubt. The messages seem to be compressed, faint, and as if an effort of will was required to communicate. They sound run-together. Or maybe they sound like someone shouting at you from a passing car, or boat, the message is compressed to get it through. Or, maybe they sound like thoughts would sound if you could hear them.
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As an avid watcher of Ghost Hunters, ( I don't believe I have missed any of their programs since it began on the Sci-Fi Television Channel ), they have captured voices on recorder's, and being interested in sound, as well, I have been pondering the same as you.

I think you might enjoy exploring their site, I will include a link that goes directly to a video regarding the EVP equipment TAPS uses. Unfortunately, there is a short commercial before the actual video begins... /ttiforum/images/graemlins/frown.gif

TAPS EVP equipment video

Years ago we use to mess around with a CB Radio, and customized the receiver to roam in-between the normal channels. By slowly "searching" along the frequencies, we would hear odd sounds, and only by making specific adjustments, tune into whatever "side-band" the communicators were using.

Connecting this to what I've seen ( or heard ) on Ghost Hunters, reminds me of what I heard on the side-bands before we made the adjustments. I am leaning towards the theory that IF it is really "ghosts" that are being captured, that perhaps the "sound" is within a specific frequency range. This range would cause the distortions and odd sounds as heard from the tape recorders. similar to what was heard on the "side-bands".

There are video's available on U-Tube that are of the "sounds" of the planet Saturn that were caught on the Cassini space probe.

Saturn Sounds

The process is not actually capturing "sound", but impulses that are then converted into an audio format. Perhaps this is why a recorder is picking up the "voices" of ghosts, that are not actually sounds, but impulses of energy.

Similar dynamics with ghostly voices ?

Something else occurred to me while listening to the various recordings of several different planets and other celestial objects, was that a traveler in space having the right equipment could locate anything in the Universe by simply tuning into the unique signature of the object. No need to "see" it, if you can "hear" it.
 
Some years ago, while awakening from a sleep on a screened sun porch, I distinctly heard a voice saying "Can you hear me?" I immediately recognized it as the voice of a departed friend, but I quickly put on my trousers and made an external survey of the house just so I could say later (such as now) that I did so.

At one of the sites that Rembrandt cited, I found a comment attributed to John Paul II in which he explained that at death the personality moved into a "mirror self" of the soul. This is interesting, because the idea of an enantiomorphic (mirror)image of materiality has been brought up a number of times. I remember several O.B.E. accounts in which a bandage on one hand, or foot, was in the O.B.E. on the other foot or hand (right or left). Mathematician Lewis Carroll, of course, wrote the children's classic "Through The Looking Glass, or, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland." Helena Blavatsky's Book of Dyzan speaks of materiality as a reflection of the spiritual world.

All that said, while there are some very interesting results using tape recorders, computers, telephones, and TV's, most of the attempts to communicate with the other side with technological devices have been spotty. Of course I have my own theories on the subject.

As far as Spiricom is concerned, when Meek first unveiled the device some years ago there was a flurry of media interest, but the messages were debunked because the sound of Dr. Mueller was said to be "very similar" to that produced by a gizmo used as a speaking aide: it is held against the larynx and amplifies the sound of voice box vibrations.Meek, was not present when the recording was made. While it could be authentic, it sounds to me as if the experimenter (O'Neil) was turning out a phony message. Let's say it would be hard to make a more suspicious recording.

The suggestion about location defined by sound is similar to what out-of-body travelers say is the main way of getting to a location. That is by holding an image of the place or person in mind and simply letting yourself go there. Physical location is defined by space and time coordinates. But if space and time are not really fundamental, then one of the other ways of locating things would be by frequencies of one kind or another. PB
 
Like matching frequencies. It would depend on what particular aspect of the human organism the frequency matching was dependent on.
 
Anything regarding "paranormal" activities almost has to be a personal experience before giving such an event any amount of validation.

Any second-hand accounts will always have a margin of doubt. I can relate with you regarding your "paranormal" experience, having similar experiences, however, that margin of doubt still exists.

I, too, had an experience regarding a friend that had passed, and soon after his passing, had some unusual events occur. Even though the event was/is very difficult to dismiss, it left more questions than answers.

I have never missed a Ghost Hunters Show, and have seen massive amounts of "evidence", however, being a television show results in doubts all in itself. I would hope that Grant and Jay are on the up and up, and believe they are, but once again, without actually being there myself, leaves me with some doubts as to their "findings"

I read about the Spiricom when it first came out, and whether it is a hoax or not, is questionable, since I believe the principle's of the idea to be possible. IF there are spirits, energy imprints, as it were, as I believe there are...then I don't see why it isn't possible to figure out what frequency the energies are operating within, and creating a device to "tune-in" those forms of energy.

You posted in another thread that aptly applies to your dicussion here in this thread :

"He who grasps the Principle of vibration has grasped the sceptor of power."
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I would expand the statement to include and read as follows:

" He who grasps the Principle's of Vibration AND Reflection has grasped the sceptor of power. "

There are numerous texts and manuscripts that discuss the principles of reflection, and bring in some interesting concepts regarding any waveform, whether it is of sound OR light, or any other form of energy.

I experiment with the Brainwave Generator.

Brainwave Generator Download Page

This program is free to download, although it is limited with all it is capable of doing if the full version is purchased. However, it has enough to engage in frequency experiments.

The frequencies are adjustable, and also can be used in unison with colors that flash with the vibrations.

I used this program in the past with varied results, but can see the potential value of it for specific ends.

My experiments with that program led to an interesting discussion with a Bio-chemist and sound ( vibration/frequencies ).

Thinking about your points in this thread, resulted with a realization regarding :

The suggestion about location defined by sound is similar to what out-of-body travelers say is the main way of getting to a location. That is by holding an image of the place or person in mind and simply letting yourself go there. Physical location is defined by space and time coordinates. But if space and time are not really fundamental, then one of the other ways of locating things would be by frequencies of one kind or another.
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Essentially, we are discussing waveforms and vibration of. We have examples of life-forms that do exactly what we discussed, "homing" into a distant location via waveforms, and that would be a Homing Pigeon. Taken miles away from their "home", in any direction, the Homing Pigeon can be let loose and find their way home. Obviously, they can't see the destination, but are notorious for finding "home".

Still speculation, however, one theory :

" Researchers believe that the map mechanism relies on the ability of birds to detect the Earth's magnetic field. Much of this work has been conducted by Rosthina and Wolfgang Witschko and has shown that alteration of magnetic fields around the home loft result in disrupted homing ability. Recently, researchers have attempted to determine how pigeons can detect magnetic fields, and two different mechanisms have been proposed. A light-mediated mechanism that involves the eyes and is lateralized has been examined somewhat, but recent developments have implicated the trigeminal nerve in magnetoception "

A space traveler would only need to input the energy signature such as those recorded of ( I.E.)Saturn, and no matter what the distance, "home" in on the target. Now, how far do those "signatures" travel ?, would be a good question.

How far has the Hubble Telescope been able to see into the vast reaches of our Universe ? It would seem that if the Hubble can see it, then a traveler, in theory, could have a device used to "home" in on any particular "target", not via sight, but by the objects unique "sound" ( energy impluse )signature.

Of course, the Homing Pigeon "Magnetoception" theory and others are still in the research phases and the full article with alternative theories can be read at the following link:

Homing Pigeon
 
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