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Some people in the world believe that debunking doesn't require you to physically go out and do work, take measurements, experiment, etc. Some believe that their word is enough proof. What I admire about you, Einstein, is that you are DOING just that. Experimenting. Keep up the good work and always feel free to share. Who cares what others think?
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Yeah, we have lots of armchair physicists. But the real stuff is much more fascinating to play with.

 

If anybody does figure out how objects and people lose height in the Mystery Spot, then it would probably be classified. Which makes sense. That would explain all the disinformation that is being shoved in front of everybody.

 

 

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I find I am at odds with two of the most idealistic* persons on this forum. Oh dear, what ever shall I do.

 

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I think you need more practice. There is a more efficient way to be more convincing. Here is a link to a website that might be of some help to you..

I have no need to lie to make my point. If you think it is necessary or acceptable to use lies to make a point, what does that say about you.

 

Some people in the world believe that debunking doesn't require you to physically go out and do work, take measurements, experiment, etc. Some believe that their word is enough proof. What I admire about you, Einstein, is that you are DOING just that. Experimenting. Keep up the good work and always feel free to share. Who cares what others think?

Some people in the world believe that debunking doesn't require you to physically go out and do work' date=' take measurements, experiment, etc.[/quote']I don't really think of what I do on this site as "debunking". I suppose, by definition, it can be called that. I just call it, offering a different perspective on an issue. I also do not fit in the category offered in the above quote. I have been, "physically" out in the world, working, measuring, and experimenting, as-well-as, the 'etc' of learning from the other people that, have been physically out in the world, working, measuring, and experimenting. I have been doing this for longer than the above poster has been alive yet, it is among her usual tactics while trying to impugn my positions, an action which, in my opinion, she has consistently failed to accomplish.

 

Some believe that their word is enough proof.

I don't rely on "my word". I rely on the substantiative words of those that taught the concepts to me.

 

What I admire about you' date=' Einstein, is that you are DOING just that. Experimenting. Keep up the good work...[/quote']Really? What experiment is it you refer to? He actually challenged "me" to prove "his" unqualified position wrong. It might be wise, before you jump on someone else's band wagon and congratulate them for such a fine job, to actually know, if they are doing the job you support them on.

 

...always feel free to share. Who cares what others think?

Sharing things on an alt-sci web site is what the site is there for. Not caring what others think is not what you seem to practice. You get offended when someone challenges your point of view. I propose, if you want to post frivolous statements, and not be challenged on the absurdity of the claims, post them on the web site you own, where you can control the perception, that your statement is, in any way, close to reality. You don't need worry about being challenged by me there. I find the site to be, uniquely inane. You are free to and I would encourage you to, post anything you want to here but, do not expect them to not be scrutinized.

 

Yeah, we have lots of armchair physicists. But the real stuff is much more fascinating to play with.

 

If anybody does figure out how objects and people lose height in the Mystery Spot, then it would probably be classified. Which makes sense. That would explain all the disinformation that is being shoved in front of everybody.

Yeah' date=' we have lots of armchair physicists.[/quote']What "armchair" category do you place yourself in?

 

If anybody does figure out how objects and people lose height in the Mystery Spot' date='...[/quote']The reason why people "appear" to experience a change in height has been known for a long time now. They only APPEAR to change. They do not PHYSICALLY change. Just because you refuse to accept it doesn't alter that "fact" no matter how badly you wish it to.

 

... then it would probably be classified. Which makes sense. That would explain all the disinformation that is being shoved in front of everybody.

The "reason" is not classified. It is available for anyone intelligent enough to receive it. Like much of what you say, classifying it would "not make sense", just as the statement you included after, concerning "disinformation", makes no sense. The one providing bad information, in many instances here on this site, is YOU. You are free to believe anything you want... you are free to be as wrong as you want... "we" are free to call you on it when your nugatory information may lead others to a flawed understanding.

Just because you aspire to be an utterly foolish and senseless person, doesn't mean others should not be discouraged from following you.

 

*a person who accepts the doctrines of philosophical idealism, as by representing things in an ideal form, or as they might or should be rather than as they are.

 

Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand. � Albert Einstein

 

 

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I went to the mystery spot in Ohio."God was it boring".But what I did notice, is that there was some form of geo-magnetism at work.The kid that gave the tour, was so board, and would occasionally throw rocks in this little house that the guided tour was through.Cheese, wine and beef jerky country there, not far from Lake Erie.Pinter

 

 

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Come on @Einstein , I don't necessarily agree with @Gpa 's approach, so having that outta the way for the sake of the argument, that picture he posted is pretty conclusive...What are your comments on that?

 

The picture isn't really saying anything.

 

He has failed to independently produce comparison pictures showing how changing the background reference points can alter an objects size that can be recorded with a camera.

 

I'm saying it can't be done outside one of these anomaly areas. And so far no one has proved me wrong.

 

 

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Real research and truth means doing it yourself, in person. A person would have no doubt in their minds if they found out themselves. Like @Einstein said, talk is cheap. It's easy to sit on a chair and say this is true and that is true and accuse others of being blatantly wrong, but without going out and measuring yourself, how do you really know the truth?

 

General conversation doesn't require proof. It's the simple exchange of ideas. We don't sit at a bar and ask people to show academic papers when having a simple discussion, but if one is going to continually call others wrong, perhaps that's when their own "proof" would benefit the conversation. And there's no better proof then REAL DATA done by the person doing the accusing. Real. Pure. Raw. Data....all done in person. Zero doubt.

 

Einstein would do it if he were closer to it! I'll do it here in Florida, eventually!!! In fact, I'll be consulting Einstein ahead of time.

 

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...I don't necessarily agree with @Gpa 's approach' date='...[/quote']I'm not sure what approach you refer to. What approach do you feel I should take?
The picture isn't really saying anything.

 

Right' date=' a picture can't speak...but a picture is worth a thousand words.
He has failed to independently produce comparison pictures showing how changing the background reference points can alter an objects size that can be recorded with a camera.

 

I offer one more picture. I doubt it will make any difference to you but, I hope others will see a difference.
I'm saying it can't be done outside one of these anomaly areas. And so far no one has proved me wrong.

 

It is easy to "make it appear' date=' as it does" in these areas but, it is only an optical illusion.I AM NOT going to bother to "build" a replica to "prove you wrong". You are not that important to me.If you truly believe that a person can "physically" change their size by several inches by some gravitational difference between two points only a few feet apart... then you have absolutely graduated from ignorant. One more picture for you and then I'm done with you.Summary:1. Ignorance implies a lack of awareness, while stupidity implies the inability to understand.2. Ignorance can be removed by the acquisition of knowledge, while a stupid person is intrinsically so, and therefore difficult to reform.3. Ignorance is caused by the circumstances of ones life, whereas stupidity is due to an attitude problem or mental deficiency in the person concerned.4. While the reasons of ignorance are universally the same, stupidity is often defined by ones perception of what comprises stupidity.[url']http://www.differencebetween.net/language/difference-between-ignorance-and-stupidity/[/url]
Real research and truth means doing it yourself' date=' in person. A person would have no doubt in their minds if they found out themselves. Like [uSER=548']@Einstein[/uSER] said, talk is cheap. It's easy to sit on a chair and say this is true and that is true and accuse others of being blatantly wrong, but without going out and measuring yourself, how do you really know the truth?General conversation doesn't require proof. It's the simple exchange of ideas. We don't sit at a bar and ask people to show academic papers when having a simple discussion, but if one is going to continually call others wrong, perhaps that's when their own "proof" would benefit the conversation. And there's no better proof then REAL DATA done by the person doing the accusing. Real. Pure. Raw. Data....all done in person. Zero doubt.

 

Really? As in;
Deja Vu can be strong. I read a recent article about a young man experiencing it so strongly that he thought he was caught in a time loop daily. I wish I remembered where I read that. He was a college student. Anyway' date=' it's a psychological phenomenon.[/quote']http://timetravelinstitute.com/threads/a-memory-that-has-bothered-me-for-about-6-years.10544/#post-90606
Deja Vu can be strong.

 

How do you know? Have you gone out in the world and measured it for yourself? Have you collected enough
Real. Pure. Raw. Data....all done in person.

 

to differentiate between what would be considered "strong" and "weak"?
Anyway, it's a psychological phenomenon.

 

How are you qualified to make that determination? Do you hold a degree in psychology or another related discipline?
We all have psychic abilities. Some are more developed than others. Sounds like you have a neat gift. You should develop it more. Practice. :)

 

http://timetravelinstitute.com/threads/precognition-or-psychic-ability-or-just-plain-weird.10188/#post-89258
We all have psychic abilities.

 

I do not have psychic abilities. What gives you the right to claim I' date=' or anyone else, have/has an ability many, including myself, hold a derogatory opinion of? What proof do you have that these alleged psychic abilities exist for anyone? Have you conducted a valid scientific test on anyone, other than yourself?
Einstein would do it if he were closer to it!

 

He's around 70-80 miles away. That's close enough.
I'll do it here in Florida' date=' eventually!!![/quote']So basically, until then, nothing you say has any value, right?
Like @Einstein said' date=' talk is cheap.[/quote']
In fact' date=' I'll be consulting Einstein ahead of time.[/quote']That's marvelous... that assures a extraordinarily credible experiment... right???It might be a good idea, when you jump on someone else's bandwagon and decide to talk crap, you make sure you aren't, stepping in it too. [ATTACH]527[/ATTACH]

 

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Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand. � Albert Einstein

 

 

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It is easy to "make it appear, as it does" in these areas but, it is only an optical illusion.I AM NOT going to bother to "build" a replica to "prove you wrong". You are not that important to me.

That does appear to be an admission of defeat.

But I do have to thank you for your persistence. I got to thinking about this. I now have a working theory on how this phenomena could be real. If length were a standing wave phenomena. Then phase shifting the returning length wave would reduce the amplitude of the combined wave. The only thing is that length waves would have to exist in null time. So anything moving or changing in null time would appear to be instantaneous to us. And if you phase shift the returning length wave to 180 degrees, length becomes zero. So any device that affects length this way could be considered to be a wormhole generator or a matter transporter. So this phenomena could be an actual physical manifestation of an orthogonal direction in time. Probably the basis for UFO propulsion.

 

And this is all your fault. If you hadn't been so persistent in trying to convince me this was an illusion, I would never have figured it out. All I can say is I hope you really aren't a CIA agent. Because if you are and your supervisor reads this, then you are probably going to get fired. This is definitely one instance where disinformation has backfired.

 

PS: Hush money might keep me from blabbing this all over the internet.

 

 

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This discussion reminds me of my work with 3rd graders. I'm tempted to ask people to tone down the namecalling, but I feel it might end up being me called names instead. The evidence from the mystery spot is flimsy, and as stated before, anything with such magical powers would instantly be locked away by now by government or shady corporations trying to do Stuff with it. It exists in captivity or in secret, not in the wild and open. That it would be nothing but a tourist attraction(!!) is an utterly obscene thought. Thereby not said that none of the effects may exist out there, but this is a definite "I Want To Believe" moment. That said, Gpa, if you want to debunk things, you gotta do better than that. Your evidence is great if talking to a non-believer ("yeah, makes sense,"), but you're not talking to non-believers. There's a reason TV isn't completely flooded with MythBusters clones; busting a myth so that True Believers will accept the findings is damn hard work!

 

 

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Einstein is nothing but the resident provocateur, which is why I am done playing this installment of his game. He isn't going to change and I really doubt he is actually as stupid as he plays but, if he is... then there is proof, "You can't fix stupid". I just hate to see others mislead by him while he plays his games here. There are many gullible and unsuspecting people in the world.

 

PaulaJedi, in her first post in this thread, said it was an optical illusion.

 

Cool' date=' but it has to do with optical illusions and tricking the brain. :) Trying to figure out the ball, though.[/quote'] After 4 more posts by Einstein, filled with his usual spurious information, she began having doubts.

 

The part that blows my mind is the ball traveling upward. How could it be an illusion (which I thought it was at first) if she proved the "uphill" portion was indeed higher by having people stand on it?Has anyone studied the area? What is underneath all that stuff?

That was during April of this year.

In June, Einstein reanimated this thread by challenging me to prove him wrong. Since I already had, I saw little need to continue and simply pointed to the absolute facts that show it to be an optical illusion. Why reinvent the wheel to try to prove "it's round". Einstein continued to spout his illogical nonsense behind his claim and, by this time, he had PaulaJedi fully on board his bandwagon and together they chose to take a stand against me. I can't be sure if he got her to believe his impossible notions or if she was just still angry at me from an earlier disagreement but, I chose to respond with at least "some form" of physical proof and pointing out the inconsistencies in the things they have both said at other times. I added parallel lines to a screen shot of the video he posted. Of course that was still not enough, he said I hadn't shown that the background was aiding in the illusion so, I removed the background. The exaggerated height difference is no longer apparent in the picture with the background removed... at least to me. The only slight difference can be seen as the affect of the thickness of the plank they are standing on.

 

As a result of my engaging in this farce with Einstein, Nicolas has an issue with my approach and Henry Stone thinks I am a third grade name caller that needs to show improvement in my debunking skills.

 

I guess I missed the name calling. I haven't "called" Einstein a "name". I may have alluded to certain traits he aspires to or presents presently but, not directly called him anything... yet. Besides, Henry Stone, I thought you were a teacher. Certainly you know to "call someone a name", "it" has to be a noun. I've only used adjectives.

 

As far as debunking, again, I don't claim to be debunking these issues...just offering another insight/approach to determining what's true. If someone is willing to PAY me a couple hundred thousand dollars like the "Myth Busters" receive for it... I'll bust the hell out of Einstein's absurd claims. As it stands now, he is not worth that much effort. Editing a picture was more than enough. I don't care if he ever understands it is not possible to actually physically change size by several inches in a few seconds by moving a few feet... or not. BUT, what I have put down here may some day or even now, help someone, who may be inclined to believe Einstein's ignorant claims, realize he is wrong.

 

If I sometimes seem blunt in my dealing with some people, I usually start out amicable enough but, I have a low tolerance for continued willful ignorance while flippantly dismissing valid evidence.

 

One more link to demonstrate how background affects perception... it should be enough for those with reasonable perspicacity. (That one's for you Einstein) Notice in the original video, whoever is on the "smaller sized", (lower) area of the house in the background, looks larger. That illusion, the Ponzo illusion, is demonstrated in the following link.

 

http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/sze-shepardTerrors/index.html

 

It's been fun but, I am finished with this Einsteinian frivolity. I await the next.

 

 

Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand. � Albert Einstein

 

 

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I put the namecallers on ignore, so I don't see half of the conversation, but it really does help! :)

 

The evidence from the mystery spot is flimsy, and as stated before,

That's why Einstein was suggesting that someone go take measurements and get some real evidence, either for or against. :)
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I put the namecallers on ignore' date=' so I don't see half of the conversation, but it really does help! :) [/quote']

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs4Gj7JsET4

Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand. � Albert Einstein

 

 

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For some reason the forum isn't sending me e-mails when threads I follow are replied to... Do you have something to do with this @Cosmo1598825723 ? :D

 

I'm not sure what approach you refer to. What approach do you feel I should take?

 

Oh nevermind that. The point is that I'm as baffled as you are with credulity here on the forum on the phenomenon described in the original thread (maybe the joke is on us? I mean, this is a time travel forum). I have done some research on it and have a pretty good idea on how to reproduce it (in a much smaller scale of course. I can't build a crooked cottage just for this;)) and show how the illusion works. I just haven't had the time :( I'll do it eventually.

 

 

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Nicolas

 

Apparently Gpa has lost all his credibility. He wasn't very successful in covering up the existing facts about the Mystery Spot. No proof!

 

But you could probably simplify your approach by using a couple of crooked lines in your background to confuse us about what is true horizontal. Gpa put forth the theory that this is suppose to confuse your mind into believing this generates an optical illusion to confuse your mind about the true height of objects in the foreground. The only problem with this approach is that no perceivable height change can be captured by a camera. Thus disproving the theory.

 

Of course taking pictures at the Mystery Spot does show changes in height. And plenty of those can be found online.

 

You might want to get your salt shaker ready for any more salty replies by Gpa.

 

 

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I don't believe these spots are real.

 

Correct meif inwrong, but a vortex in this instance, and if I'm not mistaken, is a gravitational anomaly or distortion. One would think that it should have a EM field or the like.

 

If this is the case, I don't believe videos (taken with cell phones) should be taken or at least not as clear as they are!

 

 

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NicolasApparently Gpa has lost all his credibility. He wasn't very successful in covering up the existing facts about the Mystery Spot. No proof!

I'm afraid I'm lined up with GPA's definition of proof. Sorry.

 

But you could probably simplify your approach by using a couple of crooked lines in your background to confuse us about what is true horizontal. Gpa put forth the theory that this is suppose to confuse your mind into believing this generates an optical illusion to confuse your mind about the true height of objects in the foreground. The only problem with this approach is that no perceivable height change can be captured by a camera. Thus disproving the theory.

Let me try this: do you agree that if we have a ramp, and we put two people with same heights on each end of the ramp, the person standing on the higher end will always be taller than the person on the lower end? Is this something we both could agree on?

 

You might want to get your salt shaker ready for any more salty replies by Gpa.

Salt shaker ordered.
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Let me try this: do you agree that if we have a ramp, and we put two people with same heights on each end of the ramp, the person standing on the higher end will always be taller than the person on the lower end? Is this something we both could agree on?

I'm afraid not. You can't change a persons height just by walking up a plank.
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I'm afraid not. You can't change a persons height just by walking up a plank.

I see. Would you agree that the person standing on the higher end would have to look down, instead of straight ahead, to make eye contact with his friend on the lower side?
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I'm afraid not. You can't change a persons height just by walking up a plank.

This phenomenon would have to fall under how gravity would be a measure affect atomic spacing.Pinter

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Since opinions are being repeated (not a bad thing, btw; summaries are Happy Things): I stand by my opinion of Kill It With Logic. No government/corporate/Illuminati/UN actions to seize the spot means the supernatural properties are fake. But the discussion remains an interesting insight into human behaviour. I still like you guys, don't worry ;)

 

 

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Since opinions are being repeated (not a bad thing, btw; summaries are Happy Things): I stand by my opinion of Kill It With Logic. No government/corporate/Illuminati/UN actions to seize the spot means the supernatural properties are fake. But the discussion remains an interesting insight into human behaviour. I still like you guys, don't worry ;)

Well there is the fact that everywhere on the internet lists the phenomena as an illusion. Yet no definitive class of illusion is listed for the cause. And there are many others like me that have been there and are totally mystified by the apparent height change that occurs right before your eyes. And the fact that they let you take pictures and use your own levels and plumb bobs to verify that you aren't being fooled with any of the available tricks that illusionists will use.

So calling this an illusion without demonstrating how it is being done is what is commonly called disinformation. And we all know who specializes in disinformation now don't we? The way I see it is if the masses believe it is an illusion then the disinformation tactic has worked. Besides it would be virtually impossible to lockup and close down all the gravity hill locations all across the world. Better to just create a lie to cover it up instead.

 

Now I believe someone said this board is full of CIA agents. GPA might be one of them. If not, he sure seems well versed in CIA debunking tactics.

 

I did find something on YouTube that illusionists use to fool a camera into recording an apparent height change. It is interesting to watch and and learn how to fake it. Nicolas might like this. It's called an Ames Room Illusion. Now if I could just figure out how to do this without an Ames room...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t5qQB-FuJg

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So calling this an illusion without demonstrating how it is being done is what is commonly called disinformation. And we all know who specializes in disinformation now don't we? The way I see it is if the masses believe it is an illusion then the disinformation tactic has worked. Besides it would be virtually impossible to lockup and close down all the gravity hill locations all across the world. Better to just create a lie to cover it up instead.

I've seen the comparison test with a lady and a man standing with a yard stick in between then to show that it's just not perspective.I think that the gravity crunch can occur without hurting.Has to do with molecular spacing.

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