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Aside from belief I will now imply and argue that the human brain during the process of sleep can allow oneself to actually manifest in an alternate, possibly parallel universe where the norm is altered by coexisting realities. I will not immediately debate this issue but will only assert that this is a real possibility and I yet have learned how to control it. At this point in time I can say I am in the early stages of trying to understand and control my hypothesis.

 

 

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I am having trouble understanding and explaining things that are out of our scientific realm of understanding.

It's not so much an issue of being outside the realm of scientific understanding as it is simply outside of science in general.It's a dream. You're the only one who can experience it. In other words you are the investigator, witness, experimental subject, data analyst and "peer reviewer." By definition you cannot be an unbiased recorder or analyst of whatever transpired nor can anyone else even verify that anything reported actually occured.

 

That's not to say that nothing occured or that if something did occur that it wasn't real in the sense that it was "just a dream". It's just a statement of why it isn't science.

 

 

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"That's not to say that nothing occured or that if something did occur that it wasn't real in the sense that it was "just a dream". It's just a statement of why it isn't science."

 

I do understand the "just a dream" because I have went to sleep mentally prepared to answer or try to answer some things that were continuing from previous nights sleep and then came the disappointment; I think one of the worst bizarre nightmares I have ever had, kind of like the ones from childhood. I just had a weird experience last week because in a particular dream I made contact with a good friend from 22 years ago. I did not remember much. The next day or two my wife got a odd message on Face-book. My friend found me through my wife's face-book account because of a picture of me and left a message that he would be in town that night, with a number to call him. I called him and met him at a local Hotel, I hadn't seen him in 22 years. I was spooked because in the dream prior to him contacting my wife I found him where we lived and where he still lives and told him to get in touch with me?

 

Just a thought.

 

The latest dreams as of a couple of nights ago involve parallel worlds, 4th dimensions, and inter-dimension travel. I was given a leather book of some sort by an advanced being which gave answers to even something as simple as flipping your hand over and the concept was that the plain of matter reversed in a way to shift realities. (Sorry I am trying to explain the best I can)I also could see some sort of plans to control being in the right place at the right time and controlling being in the wrong place at the wrong time. But again with the book or presentation this kind of control was presented in an informative, speculative manner.

 

I do know that these situations have been occurring in my life since I can remember, mainly expanded at the age of 12. I am now 42.

 

 

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"I do know that these situations have been occurring in my life since I can remember, mainly expanded at the age of 12. I am now 42."

 

Example given would be the fact of giving my father, a Chemist and Scientist, answers to formulas and equations at odd times at the dinner table at the age of 9, sometimes without him even asking anything. Just weird and odd. Especially at that age not even being aware of why or what I was saying. An example would be the time I just spoke out about the theories of metamorphosis. OK, I am getting way off topic but just thought I would elaborate a little. :confused:

 

 

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Last but not to the least I had just found this forum one night and put down some odd information that was seriously to the point in my thoughts. I had remembered some dream I had about inter-dimensional travel and tried to type in this forum from my notes to see what would happen. Mainly the response I got was absurd to the fact that I was conceived to be joking which embarrassed me because I was serious. The only thing that terrifies me about this inter-dimensional theory is that I have found a clear good and evil around it. I am aware of the good for the fact of scientific gain and knowledgeable awareness but there is a not so good part in that something of a more significant nature, in a bad way, lets say evil interacts in it. I guess concerning time travel there could be some good travelers and maybe some not so good, with bad intentions, travelers.

 

 

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"It's not so much an issue of being outside the realm of scientific understanding as it is simply outside of science in general."

 

The heisenberg uncertainty principle is in the realm of quantum mechanics, where particles pop in and out of dimensions, this sounds very much like dreams. We pop in and out of different situations are random. Since we are made of matter, portions of the particles which make up the chemicals in our brain exhibit the same principle. Therefore the movement of a neuron transmitter communicating at a single point in time, may not connect because it slips into a new dimension, and from another dimension comes a particle to continue a connection, or possibly makes no connection

 

Werner Heisenberg.

 

WASHINGTON, Oct. 12, 2001 — Dreams make perfect sense when you're having them. Yet, they leave you befuddled the next morning, wondering 'where did that come from?' The answer may lie in the dreams of people with amnesia, researchers report in Friday's issue of Science.

 

"Much of the fodder for our dreams comes from recent experiences. For this reason, scientists have tentatively supposed that the dreaming brain draws from its 'declarative memory' system, which includes newly learned information."

 

 

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A parallel universe where we travel all the time

 

India Daily Technology Team

 

Feb. 17, 2007

 

It is next to us. We can travel back and forth any time. Except we do not know it exists and that we travel there back and forth all the time.

 

The parallel universe is in higher dimension. It is in the complex plane, mathematically speaking. The Hyperspace that consists of higher dimensions contains countless universe like ours. Many of these universes have their conjugate in the complex plane. Ours do too. Human subconscious mind communicates with that universe all the time. Everything happening here has a conjugate there. Our real existence is in the Hyperspace itself. Our existence in the physical world is just a projection. There is similar anti-matter projection in the parallel universe.

 

Many scientists now believe that when we dream, we move into the parallel universe. When we die, our projection in this universe ends but we continue to exist in the Hyperspace. The parallel universe protects our projection when we are unconscious or in sleep or extremely tired. Human emotions are also controlled from there.

 

Our projection in the conjugate parallel universe survive much longer than our projections here. The near death experiences all tell the existence of that universe – the light at the end of the tunnel. The parallel universe is where we go after death. That is not the permanent place where we stay. It is a debriefing are before we launch for the next journey to another universe for gaining more energy levels.

 

 

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Professor Deirdre Barrett, author and teacher at Harvard Medical School, is widely known for her clinical work on dreams and her contributions to creativity and objective problem solving. She has interviewed modern artists and scientists in the use of their dreams, and has documented stories that happened to subsidized Nobel laureates and MacArthur genius whose ideas originated in dreams. In her clinical research, she also confirms that we can learn new skills in our dreams and find solutions to our problems through them and through lucid dreams and hypnosis.

 

This means that 'Inception', although introducing some elements of fantasy for the benefit of the story, is basically based on scientific facts. Also, the scientific term for inception would be incubation.

 

(Dreams Territory

 

FEATURING AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW with

 

DISTINGUISHED PROFESSOR DEIRDRE L. BARRETT)

 

 

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Gregor,

 

Come on, man. You're using the IndiaDaily as a resource reference to support your thesis? IndiaDaily is the Tiny Town version of the National Inquirer on the Internet. The article is a collection of mostly randomly slapped together techno-babble that comes out as total woo.

 

You can do better than that. :)

 

 

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Gregor,

 

Re. Dr. Barrett, Dreams and Hypnosis

 

What you might do now, after reading some articles from Dr. Barrett, is to explore Drs. Wilson and Barber and Fantasy Prone Presonality (FPP) as a comparison.

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm neither suggesting that I support FPP nor that I don't support FPP. I'm simply tossing it out as an avenue for you to look at that offers a different answer.

 

 

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Gregori,

 

Been gone for a few days so sorry about not responding.

 

You're welcome.

 

On the Wilson/Barber and Fantasy Prone Presonality (FPP) alternative: I chose that as an example because the Wilson-Barber study began as a study of hypnosis and hypnosis prone persons. Over the course of their research it expanded into the more general idea of personality profiles of people who are susceptible to flights of fantasy (what we term "woo").

 

The difference between Wilson-Barber and us is that we can toss out the label for reasonably good reasons but in reality "it's just an opinion", where they have specific criteria and tests to validate their conclusions.

 

Again, I'm not necessarily supporting FPP. It's just an alternative look at the situation. To be clear, Wilson-Barber isn't suggesting that people who have normal fantasy lives are abnormally susceptible to woo ideas and influences. We all have fantasies.

 

What their study looked at is the abnormal personality that confuses the well defined line that most people clearly recognize between their fantasy life and reality. Their conclusion is that persons who fit the FPP profile frequently fail to make the distinction.

 

An interesting part of their study that they published is how the person who fits the FPP profile and persons diagnosed with schizophrenia share a host of common abnormal traits. FPP certainly isn't schizophrenia but the areas of the brain affected are the same and the disorders are very similar.

 

 

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I'm an avid dreamer, I love sleeping late on the weekends, I love dreaming. I especially love lucid dreaming. I'm sure most know what it is, anyway, it pretty much controlling your dreams, or being "aware" that you are dreaming. Once you break through into lucid dreaming I can tell you it is a wild ride. I've stood inside my dream, realizing I am dreaming staring at detailed objects that my brain somehow created unconsciously, speaking to people I know are not real, it's all very other worldly. You do wonder if there is something more to this. I researched go on message boards like this where people are talking about it, came across a phenomena called Astral Projection or Out of body experience or whatever, and became interested, how do I get this to work, anyway sparing the details of that, I had one such experience, it felt like an out of body experience and I was amazed at the time but it deluded into a dream. So I came to the conclusion that lucid dreams can become so real, that if you truly believe in something you can have a realistic experience and actually believe that it is reality - when it is just a really intense dream. The brain is a crazy thing my friend and until I have a dream where I meet someone else in that dream and the next day they call me up saying they had the same dream, its hard to accept.

 

 

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I'm an avid dreamer, I love sleeping late on the weekends, I love dreaming. I especially love lucid dreaming. I'm sure most know what it is, anyway, it pretty much controlling your dreams, or being "aware" that you are dreaming.

Exactly. Lucid or directed dreaming is a healthy use of a fantasy state where you clearly know that it's a fantasy state. We don't know exactly why it is or how it works but we do know that dreaming is a necessary part of sleeping. Sleep disorders are diseased states of mind that end up having profound physical consequences, including death.
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"The brain is a crazy thing my friend and until I have a dream where I meet someone else in that dream and the next day they call me up saying they had the same dream, its hard to accept."

 

This is nowhere near my statement? I am sorry but as I was concerned this would end up a hypochondriacal area of discussion. I think my hypothesis has ended up backfiring into a rant on schizophrenia and not being able to separate fantasy from dreaming.

 

 

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When it comes to the human mind and alternate universes the line between proof and reality disappear and everything is up to what is ones own beliefs. I will offer a different perspective. The mind itself is nerves that give off electro-chemical signals. The signals are routed to form more or less a billion voting booths where each nerve gives off a signal to give a yeah or nay to a incoming signal. This in turn is routed to other voting booths to create a trillion connections. This is called a recurring neural network. The human soul as we know it is made up of a organ that takes input from its environment and learns to make patterns out of that input then connect those patterns to other patterns to form objects, emotions, and yes make decisions. It also has memory which without memory the brain could not do its thing. With memory input is stored and until the brain can weed out what goes into long term memory which we use as experience for the next time to better deal with our environment.

 

So, this is what makes up the human soul. Now how does this connect to time. The human soul is the sum of experiences in its current time line. In death the soul is nothing it is a 0. So if we look at a number line all numbers point to 0. Some numbers are greater than 0 some numbers are less than zero. Zero is the one number that means nothing. If the human soul exist in alternate universes it is my belief that the human soul is all one person living out every possible life at the same time. We all come from nothing and we go back to nothing to yet emerge again as something. It is all a matter of perspective.

 

When entropy finally takes over this universe this universe will again be at the same state where no information exist. When no matter exist. Where no time exist. It will again be back at nothing. We all will be the same. We will all be one thing. And from that one thing 13 billion years ago are universe sprang forth. And we again will return to a zero state. So, yes the human soul may live in other universes but I think in life time is linear in death time is non-leaner. We live both a linear and non-linear existance. From our persepective in life we are one person but in death we all exist at the 0 state. So in the greater scheme of things we are all one person living out every possible life in every possible universe through out infinity.

 

 

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