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I'm sure America is "distracted" by the Democratic Primary Show...

 

They "tense contest" to see who "wins" the Democratic Primary...

 

But its all "a show" folks...

 

2 things will "indicate" the truth...

 

Michigan and Florida primary votes are "disconnected" and "disqualified" because of moving up to their early voting dates.

 

And THE SUPER DELEGATES...

 

It all comes "down to the super delegates"...

 

They "really determine" the Democratic Nominee for President.

 

Barak Obama 1327 or something...

 

And Hillary Clinton had 1246 or something...

 

And there is 350 SUPER DELEGATES...

 

So why all the "drama" with the Obama wins and momentum and the Hillary Clinton comeback in Ohio and Texas which were really "republicans crossing party lines" to keep the "show going..."

 

While McCain sits back and enjoys "uncontested" front runner status...

 

And the "Democrats" still look "divided and weak"

 

That's because "the elite in America..." want you to "think that"

 

It's that simple.

 

It's time to change the primaries, the parties and electoral college in America...

 

It's "all a big shame" of major proportions...

 

And the "independent news media" of CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, MSNBC, and CNN just "promotes and plays along"...

 

TheCigMan

 

 

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Super delegates' choice may hinge on electability

 

Super delegates' choice may hinge on electability

 

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-03-09-electable_N.htm

 

Digg del.icio.us Newsvine Reddit FacebookWhat's this?By Jill Lawrence, USA TODAY

 

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama says he's won more states, Hillary Rodham Clinton says she's won bigger states, and both say their primary-season performance makes them the more electable Democratic presidential nominee.

 

The relative strength of their arguments could influence decisions made by hundreds of super delegates, the party leaders and elected officials likely to determine who tops the Democratic ticket.

 

Students of the nomination process say the results so far tell little. "It's always very dubious to say somebody winning a primary or caucus will end up necessarily winning a general election," says Andrew Dowdle, a political scientist at the University of Arkansas.

 

Historian Eric Rauchway of the University of California, Davis, says, "There's no correlation at all between your performance in primaries and your performance in a general election."

 

That hasn't stopped both sides from trying to persuade voters and the super delegates that they're playing the best hand. Top spokesmen for Obama and Clinton faced off Sunday on NBC's Meet the Press.

 

"There is no question that Barack can win nationwide," said former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle. "We're going to win big states, small states. It doesn't matter who's at the top of the ticket, I think the Democrat's going to be in a very commanding position in New York and California, and I think we can even put Texas in play."

 

Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell said Clinton has won states with about 260 electoral votes compared with 190 for Obama. "The big four in any presidential election recently are Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida and Michigan. … She's clearly the strongest candidate in the states that Democrats must win to have a chance," he said.

 

Obama, who leads Clinton in the pledged delegate count, gained seven delegates to her five by winning Wyoming's caucuses Saturday. Neither candidate has won Pennsylvania, which will hold a primary April 22.

 

Clinton won Michigan and Florida, but those states were stripped of all delegates because they held their primaries earlier than the party allowed. No hopefuls campaigned there, and Clinton was the only major candidate on the Michigan ballot. The states, the candidates and the party are wrestling with whether to hold do-overs.

 

Obama has won 27 primaries and caucuses, including some in states such as Wisconsin, Washington, Minnesota, Colorado, Missouri and Virginia that could be crucial this fall. Clinton, who has 14 victories, followed up big Super Tuesday victories in New York, California, New Jersey, Massachusetts and elsewhere with comeback wins last week in Ohio and Texas.

 

"He's got good arguments to make, and she's got good arguments to make. It's very subjective," says Bill Carrick, a Los Angeles-based Democratic consultant who is neutral in the race.

 

Super delegates look at tangible factors such as the pledged delegate count earned in primaries and caucuses, and intangibles such as momentum. They also look at where the candidates are winning and how they are winning.

 

In contests so far, black voters gave Obama 80% or more of their votes while Clinton picked up most of the Hispanic voters. Obama has staged occasional takeovers of Clinton pillars such as lower-income voters, less educated voters and white women, for instance in Wisconsin and Virginia. In Ohio, Clinton loosened Obama's grip on affluent voters, college graduates and independents — running even with him among those groups.

 

Neither candidate has made decisive incursions on the other's turf, setting up a Pennsylvania test that Dowdle compared to John F. Kennedy's foray into West Virginia in 1960. He said Kennedy showed party elders that a Catholic could win what was then the most Protestant state in the country.

 

Several national polls show Obama beating Arizona Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, by bigger margins than Clinton. The only hint of how each might fare against McCain state by state, the way a general election works, comes from SurveyUSA, a non-partisan polling firm, which last week released polls of 600 registered voters in each of the 50 states.

 

The bottom line: Both Obama and Clinton would get the 270 electoral votes needed to win the presidency, but by different paths.

 

Obama would win 24 states with 280 electoral votes, to 256 electoral votes in 26 states for McCain. Clinton would win 20 states with 276 electoral votes, to 262 electoral votes in 30 states for McCain.

 

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It's "all a shame" between the corporations, the media and the parties...

 

It's HILLARY for the DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION...

 

The "SUPER DELEGATES" are going to go for "HILLARY" not "BARAK"

 

And the latest "reasoning" is that she won the "big electoral college" state primaries...

 

Not Barak...

 

But that goes against the "Dean Strategy" of a 50 STATE ELECTION STRATEGY...

 

They "just make it up as they go along" to suit their needs...

 

It's laughable and sad... Really....

 

TheCigMan

 

 

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800? Super Delegates in Play? for the Democrats?

 

Super-delegate tally remains slippery

 

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-03-12-superdelegates_N.htm

 

By Fredreka Schouten, USA TODAY

 

WASHINGTON — While Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama wage an intense contest to win the support of "super delegates" who may decide the party's nomination, getting an exact count of those elected officials and party insiders depends on the day of week.

 

Vacancies, deaths, elections and even moving from one state to another can alter the super-delegate rolls. Consider New York.

 

When Eliot Spitzer officially departs as governor Monday, the state will be down one super delegate. His successor, Lt. Gov. David Paterson, is already a super delegate as a member of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), but Paterson will not get two presidential votes. Spitzer and Paterson had announced support for Clinton.

 

All super delegates are free to back whomever they choose at the national convention.

 

As of Wednesday afternoon, there were 796 super delegates, said DNC spokeswoman Stacie Paxton. "On Monday, I'm guessing it will be at 795 again," she said.

 

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With 800? Super Delegates in "play"...

 

Do the "primaries" even matter?

 

Obama around 1400... Delegates.

 

Clinton around 1250... Delegates.

 

With "National Elections" its the states and electoral college...

 

With "Primaries" it seems... It's the Super Delegates...

 

The "Party Elders" as it were in the United States?...

 

Does the "people's" vote even count?...

 

TheCigMan

 

 

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