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\"Childhood's End\" : NOT an Option For Humanity

 

From the time of the idealic Greeks, segments of humanity have sought out a society of perfection, an all encompasing and pervasive sentiment to co-exist, using pure logic, and steely vision for the greater good.

 

I have to speak up and say that this is a noble yet flawed approach to the answers we seek. It tis one element, one crucial element, but we must acknowledge that we are more than machines computing our decisions in our lives that lead us to the inevitable NOW.

 

No, we have the ability to flow, and absorb the inexplicable. To love and nurture and care, and yet we are animals with instincts to protect and survive. No, we are not computaional, binary systems of processing and function. We are artists and creators.

 

The loss of free will to makind is likened to slavery. It makes no difference if it is what will "save us". Or what others may say will save us? No, mankind has the ability to solve very complex problems in very unconventional manners.

 

So, let's hear no more talk about "One Mind" consciousnous. We can do it without forgetting who we are individually, and we will actually be better off for it, if not the entire galactic/universal community.

 

Sure, we need to learn/teach more personal responsibilty throughout the world community. We also need to enable those on our pretty blue globe who are without, without choices, without food and shelter and medicine and education and liberty and information and empowerment. So that it is a level playing field, and all inhabitants of our ecosystem have a fair chance for more than survival. Not to mention a fair chance of survival for our fair planet.

 

But to make my point again, there are other options to social attuning and growth than broad, single-consciousness for humanity. We are creative social engineers, by default. Look at the diversity, and the commonality we have developed so far?

 

I await the time of true enlightenment. For surely it will come, if not in this time line, then another.

 

Anybody have any time-surfing suggestions?

 

(PS: My title refers to one of my old faves, Arthur C. Clark's book "Childhood's End" in which a new generation of mutants becomes catatonic and totally absorbed into the stream of consciousnous of the world of their minds, sitting yoga-esque on the seashore, etal.)

 

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Persephone,

 

It's always a refreshing sight to me when I hear someone speak out :) whichever side that might be, pro Time Travel or con. I think the energy and passion of the writer comes out more potent when you forget about writing, and just focus on the message in your heart.

 

I enjoyed reading your post however. I know that the first Greek philosophers were really astronomers. And understanding the way the universe worked was a thing of beauty to them. Making sense of what might have seemed magical and supernatural to others, shedding light and understanding, inevitably creating principle.

 

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I agree with your explanation, that despite our animal instincts we are still capable to maintain some structured order in our lives. However, what I find :confused: at times is if that is in our human nature, or some early programming that was imbedded in us? Would not going along with the old saying of being a "product of my society (or upbringing)" not prove that in a way we are like computers, and we are simply malfunctioning (or following orders)?

 

Or is that some excuse many say to prevent taking responsibility to learn to be better people? Like some feel they have a reason to anyways? What hinders their drive and lack of motivation to some of who don't see a reason to love and care, but be mean heartless bitches? Would then not be something to absorb and over come, then to maintain?

 

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Again, I agree with you. Mankind does tend to over come many of its obstacles doesn't it? And some of which are unconventional. There is one unconventional solution however that I hope mankind never embraces. And I think most of you all know what I'm talking about.

 

It robs you of everything that makes you human; you become a hypocrite of everything you established up to this point. You turn your back on your past, your cultures, your heritage, your race, your creed, your sex, the list can go on and on. You manipulate and exploit, cheating life in a very unfair way, you take something away from someone that has no right to you, thus you create a hypocrisy that has no end, but a loop.

 

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I suppose the main gist of what I was trying to get at, is that people often set up such lofty and unattainable ideals, like a race of humans who are intigrated into one mind, or autonomatons, that it makes an unsurmountable pass of a clime to reach. I beleive we can accomplish quite a lot and still retain our autonomy and individuality.

 

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Yes Persephone, but some friends in the forum become insanely frightened whenever some one proposes the idea of humanity ever changing its present physical, spiritual and mental form. Unfortunately this will be so, not because I say so, but because no one, save God or an atom bomb, can stop humanity from evolving. However, the way humanity gets to evolve depends entirely of our actions right here and now. If we keep fighting, attacking and destroying each other we will only evolve to survive, if we stop the aggression and embrace beauty, love and faith we will evolve in a most fascinating way. The choice is for humanity to take , I really hope they all decide for the right alternative.

 

Imagine...a race so in tune with each other, that are nearly one, while retaining their individuality and sense of self. Not automatons of a hive mind, but actual beings of pure thought that know what each other is experiencing through a sense of empathy and clair-sentience, thus they have forgotten to lie, plot and hate one another. This will/did result in the discovery of unimaginable things, among them the way to timephase. However this might never occur, we might not give this alternative to our children, and this is truly sad.

 

Until later becomes now.

 

 

Until Later Becomes Now

 

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Trans001,

 

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Sounds similar to how I feel about humanity future. However, this is still going along the lines of New Age beliefs. New Age beliefs are responsible for altering the New Testament to suit their twisted belief, to be a "mini God" and allow the presence of other entities for the purpose of further enlightenment.

 

I think God wants up to experience this sense of serenity for it's fellow man, without having to look for answers in anything other then him.

 

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Being human and evolving requires those bad qualities to be present, as well as the good. To dismiss them as entirely useless is making us autonomous people, and abandoning human exprience for the end result.

 

For you see Trans001, the reality of it is this: Humanity has worked very hard to achieve the state it's in, and to give up now and exploit the past for further enlightenment, that's not just wrong, it's cheating.

 

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You think that's sad?

 

What's sad is living as a free-willed people and being hypocrites to our own principles, that's what's sad. If we are to "timephase" as you call it (I will call it TimeTravel), what will be the ethical ramifications for it? Time Travel will get you no where as a race, but force you to condemn it and start again.

 

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Friend TTA

 

How did humanity ever started, I have seen that our predecessors were primates. At that moment a being a primate was much better than being a protozoa. However, millions of years later came the cromagnon and suddenly being a cromagnon was much better than being am simple tree jumping monkey. But it does not stop there, after being cromagnon the animal man evolved millions of years later into the homo sapiens. At that point it became much better to be a homo sapiens than being a rock throwing cavern man. So you see, right now it seems excellently well to be a refined version of a jungle creature, however, there still plenty of changes to occur to the animal man, until it stops to be animal at all, and becomes something greater, a man of light.

 

It is not New Age, as I previously stated in my posts I profess no religion nor adhere to any movement, it is a matter of simple evolution. Humanity has so many challenges up ahead and so many changes to go through...it is simply fascinating just to ponder.

 

However I myself would recommend against time phasing if the race doing it is not respectful of its past. Time phasing should only be done in order to better understand the past, not to change it. That would account for further introduction of paradoxes into this or any other reality

 

Until later becomes now.

 

 

Until Later Becomes Now

 

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Trans001

 

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You make references to God and of reaching a higher state, but don't acknoweldge that he created Adam & Eve. Instead, that man evolved from cavemen? What kind of hyprocritcal New Age spin are you trying to pull here?

 

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However, whatever version of man we might have been, we allowed that step to remain unaltered. We persevered the right to allow this species to evolve on it's own accord.

 

A being of light is not a man being with the same respect for life that it once had. Instead of allowing indepence and freewill to govern a species, it intends to control and dominate it for it's own purpose. Thus no longer being human or man.

 

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Okay Darwin… But your understanding of where the beings of light take over is far from complete.

 

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Yes I agree. I know that it can do great things, when left alone.

 

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What about it being sad to the children :( ?

 

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Nice vision. But I'm afraid that principle will not be shared by beings of light. There is no way for a being to evolve to that state without exploitation of the past.

 

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Your telling me :) , I didn't even know I posted my last post at a double-digit #. This is just the tip of the iceberg. But proof nontheless.

 

-TTA

 

 

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Friend TTA

 

Maybe we both understand God from very distinct angles. I do acknowledge the existence of a superior being. A being of a consciousness so vast and powerful that could very well be beyond our comprehension. However, this super being, did not create Adam and Eve. This is simply an archetypical explanation of what happened to those who first experienced the existence of a superior being. Yes, God operates under the laws He Himself created, patience, diligence, evolution.

 

Regarding the man of light, what do you think love, charity compassion stand for, a bieng of light is this and much more. Positive qualities and virtues, exalted to higher dimensions. A being of light is not evil, TTA. They are/will be agents of goodwill. A being of light governs no one, it intends to control no one. For to control and not allow free will would be evil.

 

Does angels appear and control the populace, no. They are guiding beings, who simply share a thought or two on a particular subject with the receptacles here on Earth. The man of light would become to a certain degree something like this, or who knows mayhaps something even greater. And it is in this greatness that humanity could evolve if the fighting, threats and quarreling is stopped. Other worlds have done it, so why can not we.

 

I am not aware of your experience with the New Age movement. Mayhaps you experienced a kind of being that merely mimicked a light-origin. I know that what many of the New Age followers call Ascended Masters, thinking them as light beings, are nothing more than the extrapolation of a channelers subconscious mind. In this view an Ascended Master would say in a dictation somethings that are in fact contrary to the idea of light and love. I do know TTA that there are many charlatans and hypocrits out there taking the money of other people. But you can not loose the faith because these charlatans exist, we simply should be more careful.

 

You say that a being of light would not evolve to that step and not exploit the past. That is thinking of a light being with a human mind. NO the man of light would only learn from its previous mistakes, not change them. That would be not allowing evolution to take place.

 

And one last thing, I am not Charles Darwin, but I would send him your regards the last time I have tea with him at Winstonshire, England TR125.0017.

 

Until later becomes now.

 

 

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tta

 

There you go again being the caped crusader. As far as I can see, trans is trying to be very patient with you and you just act like a neanderthal. Leave it to you to think that a being of light has to manipulate the past to get where he's at. That would mean that the angels are just here to make it better for themselves at your expense. I think the Cromagnons had the right idea. They just took the closest thigh bone and crushed the head of the neanderthals. Now that's evolution. All they ever did was pick their A$$ and play with themselves anyway. Come to think of it, I wonder if this is where seeing double... digits began.

 

 

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Trans001,

 

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Obviously so. It's clear then to state that you do not share the belief of a Christian God, nor the belief of just 1 God, but of a "superior being" and superior "beings of light."

 

Nice spin, "a vast and powerful" consciousness. Truly sounds like something we should abandon conventionality and strive to unite for. Not to mention, that this view of God is viewed as New Age :) .

 

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Oh no? It's written in the Bible that he did. Wasn't it CAT who said we should give credit to a book that was written a few thousands of years ago? If we can't believe that God created Adam and Eve, then what credibility does anything that you mention having to do with the bible and pertaining to it's language good for?

 

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I am not a being of light, yet I have all these qualities. It does not make me a God, it still makes me a man, just like you and everyone else. Just because it's a poetic idea, and pretty to associate it with light and all things pure, doesn't make it so.

 

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I'm still here :) and so is the Pope. No one has ever disappeared for having positive qualities.

 

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I never said they were. You did.

 

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And you know this how? More of your metaphysical poetic reverie? Can hardly be passed off as fact ;) even if you claim to be from the future.

 

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I agree. But "beings of light" as you call them, I call them manipulating SOB's Time Travelers, find the ends justifiable by any means.

 

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So I take it your now Catholic/New Age. Okay, to introduce Angels into the equation, you must also introduce demons. Would they not battle it out for the control of man here on Earth? And would not our independence and choice get in their way? Thus having it infringed upon?

 

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Look Trans001, if that would be the case; we'd see some evidence of that by now. We'd hear about it on these forums that someone has elevated and become God like. You know why you don't hear about it? Because it just doesn't happen. And your wishful thinking won't make it true.

 

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is stopped. Other worlds have done it, so why can not we.>>

 

What myth is your argument even based on? Of a metaphysical individual who thinks he's from the future with no proof, or from clear hard evidence of the politics that fighting and threats will hinder human progress (or evolution)? Take your pick.

 

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What I experienced is the truth. That there are things going on in the background that intend to control humanity. Making coincidences that are impossible to duplicate or be random, I am showing that. Not just through my experiences in it, but through others. And making them aware of that, I hope to make them aware, and to never stop asking questions.

 

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Excellent cautionary advice. One shouldn't loose their faith just because of a few bad eggs. So I hope your friends don't lose faith either ;) regardless of what you say.

 

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No, actually a being with a mind over mind. Can you describe a mind over mind. Of course, you would call it love and guidance. A mind to lead, and allow your existence to flow in a direction this mind would see fit you take.

 

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Why just learn from it's previous mistakes, when it can will it's self in the heart of those mistakes and benefit him self even greater by exploiting them?

 

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Yeah you do that. And you tell him the TTA is gonna whoop your candy ass, for he's not buying your "I'm from the future" crap.

 

-TTA

 

 

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DestroyingAngel,

 

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Yeap there I go again. And here you go again being an @$$.

 

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What did I say that was even below human? I only questioned his poetic interpretation of the supposed future he claims to already know.

 

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And leave it up to a DestroyingAngel to deceive man to think that it can't happen.

 

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You tell me, you're the DestroyingAngel after all :) .

 

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Haha :) probably. I guess that's why 2 ply wasn't invented.

 

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Well then, perhaps your buddy trans001 was knocked silly by one of these Cromags on one of his Time Traveling journeys. For he's also posting at double digits ;) .

 

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Dear Friend TTA

 

Several things, I am not from the future, I do not know what will eventually occur to this battle scarred world and I am definetely not a New Age follower. The idea of a supreme being, a super consciousness is older than you can imagine. It started after the gnomic tribal gods of the Egyptians were abandoned and the idea of AMN-RA appeared. Later on ignorance or mayhaps a lack of understanding converted this God in to a many faced one. The Hindu culture has the concept of the Brahman, an infinite spirit of life, this one is nearly 34000 years old, and then came the jewish, believing in one eternal being ruling graciously over all the other children of creation. Besides in all of this religions the vast super consciousness was surrounded by stewards of a celestial origin, whether angels, archons, devas or photons, they are all the same viewed from different cultural angles. So as you can see the view I hold dear is not New Age but actually Very Old Age.

 

Regarding CAT, what she said is true, but if you would have been paying more attention and not interested only in refuting and quoting, you would have seen that we were talking about the symbols and codes inlaid in the many sacred books of this world, not just the bible.

 

However I do honestly think that you are not reading the posts as you should, be more relaxed about it, you are being too distrustful, viewing conspiracies and EVIL everywhere. I am not your enemy, nor I am your friend, but that is because you had refused such friendship. By taking on that attitude will only.... affect you. Because you will miss the beautiful things that are forth coming.

 

" And you tell him the TTA is gonna whoop your candy ass"

 

TTA, my unwilling friend, why offer to hit me or cause me pain, because we think differently? And with this as proof do you really think Humanity will evolve the way it should? Well you are just one here on the forum, but there are many out there on your cities, countries and world that do think theway you do, and they hurt, harrass and even kill innocent people, just because they happen to think differently.

 

TTA this forum is the testing ground for our readiness, do you think we are truly ready for anything. I think we need the most help we can get. But if the people that arrives to aid us are met with such hostility as yours, and lack of understanding they might not react favorably. I can even picture you saying " well the TTA needs no one to help him, he is so much good left alone with his double digits, so they either go or I"ll whoop their ***" :mad:

 

Well TTA you have become predictable, not that I am a mind reader, I would never yield to such a fault of privacy, but that is how you react to others, lets here why you think Time phasing is not possible instead of posting quotes of others and your smart alecky remarks.

 

Until later becomes now.

 

 

Until Later Becomes Now

 

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Trans001,

 

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Yet you admited to say that you have tea with Charles Darwin and believe in superior light beings. Okay we believe you :) .

 

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So it's okay then, even if that concept has long since been adopted into New Age doctrine?

 

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That's what you call established religion :) .

 

Ideas and concepts found their rightful group and association. As how the superior beings of light found their stay in the New Age doctrine.

 

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Go to any bookstore or religious center for this stuff, and they will be classified as just that, not as an orthodox religion, but New Age.

 

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The refute wasn't on anything other then on the bible. You were talking about God's word and his creation. That's all I needed to point out of what was said. Anything else had no relevance to the point.

 

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I think your doing the same. However, I am a critic, that is my job. Your still new here Trans001, get used to it.

 

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I think I will live with the consequences. I don't think missing out on being your friend will set my life off course :) . Don't flatter your self.

 

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I meant expose you, you doop :) . Geesh.

 

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Look, I just expect humanity not to accept everything so easily. That's naive and will cause our downfall.

 

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I am the TTA, I can't do that. You want to class me as the same as them, go ahead and do so. I don't have to prove my sincerity to you or anyone. For I know who I am.

 

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Because we don't buy into them right away without caution as you have mentioned that we do, and not loose our faith, you expect us to lose for merely being who we are? If they expect us to understanding, then they should be understanding and patient as well. After all, how can they expect us to be, if they can't?

 

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Nice improv. but in accurate. You truly haven't been listening to a word I been saying do you. Look at 2 sides Trans001.

 

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Sure, but not now. I am in a hurry. If you would like to see why I think Time Travel is wrong, read some of the past posts. It's all pretty much there.

 

-TTA

 

 

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Friend TTA,

 

I believe you do not understand, (please do not take this as harsh) you tend to look for heresy and distrust. What Transient is talking about, is a human development, an evolution, that your scriptures have been preparing us for. It is a beautiful thing that is natural and holy. It is essential in this "ultimate blooming" that individuals, like Jesus Christ or other prophets, or whomever ever you look up to as an example human being, behave responsibly. That means that their "ego" would cease to control their actions. They would be giving, loving, compassionate beings. Not perfect, but very altruistic. It is the only way, or maybe just the "better" way, to accompish the feats in which we are discussing.

 

At least I think that's what Transient is getting at. And I might go so far as to say, you both are seeking the same things, and expressing the same ideals, and talking along the same lines. Only, maybe, with diferent termonology.

 

"The appropriateness of chance is astounding"

 

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Very beautiful, but nothing more then poetic rhetoric.

 

If you want to claim that these beings mean us no harm and that it's just my mistrust of them, prove it? All I hear is hope and wishful thinking that they are benevolent? Naïve.

 

I however have shown examples to my claims, and logic of their control over humanity. ("The ends justify the means.")

 

The effects of their tampering are visible, if you care to look at them objectively.

 

And not in a biased New Age sort of way that would have you accept it and understand that they had to lie and control you to accomplish the end result.

 

I'm afraid that's not viable.

 

-TTA

 

 

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Very Interesting, friend TTA, very interesting.

 

From my experience, TRUST, is such a key factor in attaining a sort of growth, or exuberance towards life and the possibilities of life, that I can not explain the footsteps towards enlightenment without it. I came accross a point in my life, where I had to decide which path I would foray towards, and ultimately, the most logical path, it occured to me, was the one which was laid forth by trust. I calculated all scenerios of which I could imagine on the spot, and through much time and effort decided the only logical course of action would be to TRUST.

 

Be it so it may, To me you sound as though you have the ear of something greater than yourself, or maybe you have insights to which you do not know where they come from.

 

But, very much like me, you are a scientist and a skeptic who wants excisable solid proof. Some one who wants the scientific journals to CONFIRM the black and white truth, right here before our eyes.

 

But, there are maybe things in your belief system that you take for granted, to begin with. And you know the stories of fabulous truths that were scoffed at when first presented to the global community, (one need not go to too far extremes to explain, but we have our heroes, "The World Is Flat", "The Earth Is The Center Of The Universe", "God Created Man and The World In Seven Days", "The Heavens Are A Shell Of Ether Above Our Heads").

 

So I am betting you are a closet believer of sorts in the fantastic and unusual. My guess is that you have actually experienced or witnessed strange phenomena, of which you are still quite closed-lipped about.

 

Then again, I could be wrong. If not, I am here to compare notes. Life is most definitely strange to say the least.

 

Persephone

 

 

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