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Regarding wizards and witches, I think that whatever you beleive in can and will happen, depending on how hard you want something to happen. The old ways talk of many wizards and witches, look at the Merlin story.. it was only a myth, but who really knows for sure. If you have seen this movie you will notice at the end when everyone turns their back on Mab the evil witch, they stop beleiving and she dissapears. They say that we ( Our Minds ) create our surroundings and our world, and I think its true, If a sorcerer beleives in what he does, and these guys were not doubtfull at all, they were true beleivers in what they could do, then anything was and is possible.

 

Same goes for todays healers, people have been healed by the power of prayer, its all possible when you beleive.

 

"Imagine A World Where Dreams Come True... And Magic Is Real."

 

Sam

 

 

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Re: Magic' the old ways, what better?

 

What is not understood about the word witch, is that in some circles, this term simply means utility agent and nothing more.

 

As short a time ago, as the late 18th century in England, the last covens of Essex's on Avon had existed.

 

There is a telling of a male witch and a few female left, within the Essex On Avon area, near the Village Of Eastwick, to be exact.

 

In England these were older witches, who were in danger of being swept aside, by the industrial revolution.

 

An elder witch, George was his name, had the power to stop heavy machinery with only a glance.He did so by hex fixing it there, till the farmers had asked him to let go of his casting on the steam powered tractors.

 

These few valuable witches, were what they were, inspite of the Anti-witchcraft act, often 1700s and kept to themselves.

 

They could also stop large horses, and donkeys with a raise of their canes.

 

This forced sometimes asked stopping, was so in order to take firewood to their little shanties.

 

In some cases these bundeles weighed over fifty pounds, plus vittles for the evening fare.

 

A lot of witches in other communities, had served as readily accessible medicos, as well as fortune tellers, advisors and other supernatural helpers, at low or sometimes bartered cost.

 

When many increased his presence in both technology, as well as the gaudiness of his own ego, a lot of these very value people had been swept to the wayside.

 

They call today a better place, due to the advent of supposed technology being so valuble.

 

However what seems to be lost in the fray of supposed new and better technical ways, are once respected community advisors.These were people who were simply swept away, by those who through that their way was better.

 

The quality of today, with too much population wanting better ways of living, out of bottles, without any reverence to past mystical ways, is better Sam?

 

They have even dragged the once hallowed learned good arts of some phases of utility craft through the mud, in order to promote the dark side of this arts, as well as give it to Hollywood.

 

Of course we as a society today have learned from our past mistakes?

 

Thanks Samuel.

 

 

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My Friends

 

It is funny that you two intermingled magic in a time travel forum. And one would think that impossible but read about this.

 

Some time ago, in the small New England town of Worcester in Mass, there was suppose to be a witch leaving there with her three male consorts. This according to one Goodman Doleman, who was the towns leatherer. When the group of four was arrested and accused and sent to trial the woman claiming that they were all inmigrants from The Netherlands was ordered shut and separated from her friends. Some say that she entered into a fasting ritual calling upon the forces of evil, but she simply stropped eating because of the traumatic stress incarceration can impose upon a person. The other three were ironed and sent to the holding place until the bishop, who was to conduct the hearing, arrived from Holliston.

 

Three days went by and something strange ocuured. The woman was heard to have spoken in a strange tongue and then silently died. This event caused much up heaval among the citizens who now did not want to wait for the arrival of the bishop for them to hang the poor souls. Terror ran amok for the following five days.

 

Somewhere in FarraTR078.3689/2750^1723EarthTR078.3689 a great event ocurred nearly three thousand years after the event in Worcester, Mass. According to the people there a great solar flare sent hurling towards the planet an immense solar windcloud that messed up with every single eloctronic equipment in the world. However it did something else too, it took back in time from that place in two persons that were there as spectators.

 

Upon arrival they soon discovered that the supposed witches were refugees from Farra's past who had been implanted to Earth in order to exchange human/farran genetica material after the 25th generation in order to provide their people with a more stable physical constitution and endurance. They also found out that Goodman Doleman was a pawn under the influence of the bishop, who was in turn under the control of a descendant of a British-Raed'ka'noan merchant who wanted the farran experiment stopped for good so that the further exploitation of farrans would become easier. The two persons then decided to free the farrans posing as humans and re-settle them somewhere in South America, what was to be known as Montevideo.

 

After wards the two spectators returned to their own place by timephasing as the rest of the observers do.

 

I do not intend you to believe this brief story but at least ponder about it, if it does not make any sense it will do good for a science fiction story.

 

Until later becomes now.

 

 

Until Later Becomes Now

 

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History of Witchcraft

 

As I am trying to put this all together, I hope to bring about an

 

understanding that Witchcraft, like any religion, has undergone

 

it's changes throughout the centuries. It is my personal

 

feeling, however, that the religion of Witchcraft has undergone

 

far fewer changes than any other in history.

 

Witchcraft, sorcery, magic, whatever can only begin to find its

 

roots when we go back as far as Mesopotamia. With their dieties

 

for all types of disasters, such as Utug - the Dweller of the

 

Desert waiting to take you away if you wandered to far, and

 

Telal - the Bull Demon, Alal - the destroyer, Namtar -

 

Pestilence, Idpa - fever, and Maskim - the snaresetter; the days

 

of superstitution were well underway.

 

It was believed that the pharaohs, kings, etc. all imbued some

 

power of the gods, and even the slightest movement they made

 

would cause an action to occur. It was believed that a picture,

 

or statue also carried the spirit of the person. This is one of

 

the reasons that they were carried from place to place, and also

 

explains why you see so many pictures and statues of these

 

persons with their hands straight to their sides.

 

In the Bible, we find reference to "The Tower of Babel" or The

 

Ziggurat in Genesis 11. "Now the whole world had one language and

 

a common speech. As men moved eastward, they found a plain in

 

Shinar (Babylonia) and settled there. They said to each other,

 

`Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly.' They used

 

brick instead of stone, and tar instead of mortar. Then they

 

said, `Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that

 

reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves

 

and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth.' But the

 

Lord came down to see the city and the tower that the men were

 

building. The Lord said,`If as one people speaking the same

 

language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do

 

will be impossible for them. Come let us go down and confuse

 

their language so they will not understand each other.'" It goes

 

on to say that the tower was never finished.

 

In other references, we find that the "Tower" was in fact

 

finished, and that it was a tower that represented the "stages"

 

between earth and heaven (not a tower stretching to the heaven in

 

the literal sense.) From this reference, it was a tower built in

 

steps. A hierarchy on which heaven and hell were based. It was

 

actually a miniature world representing the Mountain of Earth.

 

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Each stage was dedicated to a planet, with its angles symbolizing

 

the four corners of the world. They pointed to Akkad, Saburtu,

 

Elam, and the western lands. The seven steps of the tower were

 

painted in different colors which corresponded to the planets.

 

The "Great Misfortune:, Saturn, was black. The second was white,

 

the color of Jupiter. The third, brick-red, the color of

 

Mercury, followed by blue, Venus; yellow, Mars, gray or silver

 

for the moon. These colors boded good or evil, like their

 

planets.

 

For the first time, numbers expressed the world order. A legend

 

depicts Pythagoras traveling to Babylon where he is taught the

 

mystery of numbers, their magical significance and power. The

 

seven steps often appear in magical philosophy. The seven steps

 

are: stones, fire, plants, animals, man, the starry heavens, and

 

the angels. Starting with the study of stones, the man of wisdom

 

will attain higher and higher degrees of knowledge, until he will

 

be able to apprehend the sublime, and the eternal. Through

 

ascending these steps, a man would attain the knowledge of God,

 

whose name is at the eighth degree, the threshold of God's

 

heavenly dwelling.

 

The square was also a "mystical" symbol in these times, and

 

though divided into seven, was still respected. This correlated

 

the old tradition of a fourfold world being reconciled with the

 

seven heavens of later times.

 

It is thought that here was the start to numerology, but for this

 

to have developed to the point where they had taken into

 

consideration the square as the fourfold world, it would have had

 

to have developed prior to this.

 

From Mesopotamia lets move over to Persia.

 

Unlike the Mesopotamians, and Egyptians, who believed that all

 

was done with either the favor or lack thereof of the Gods, the

 

Chaldean star religion taught that luck and disaster were no

 

chance events, but were controlled from the heavenly bodies

 

(planets/stars) which send good and bad according to mathematical

 

laws. It was their belief that man was incapable of fighting the

 

will of the planet divinities. Though, the more this system

 

evolved, the more the wise men read ethical values into man's

 

fate. The will of the stars was not completely separate from

 

man's behaviors. The stars were important, but not omnipotent in

 

deciding man's fate. It was believed that the star Sirius would

 

carry messages to the higher gods and he returned to announce

 

their will.

 

Around the 7th Century B.C. Zoroaster, the Median prophet was

 

preaching the doctrines that evil could be avoided and defeated.

 

He brought about the principles of the good and evil spirits.

 

Below, we will look at the beliefs and influences of this man's

 

life which created the religion named after him.

 

The first of the belief structure had to do with Ormazd (Ahura-

 

Mazda) king of light, and his twin brother Ahriman (Anro-Mainyu)

 

prince of darkness.

 

Zoroaster brought about the belief in the "holy war" (that

 

between good and evil.) In this faith, the archangels (the

 

spirits of Divine Wisdom, Righteousness, Dominion, Devotion,

 

Totality, and Salvation) and the demons (the spirits of Anarchy,

 

Apostasy, Presumption, Destruction, Decay, and Fury) were

 

constantly at battle with one another. The archangels were

 

controled by Ormazd and the demons by Ahriman.

 

This religion had it's belief that in the end, Ormazd and his

 

demons would prevail, but until then, Ormazd would keep the world

 

safe.

 

It is interesting that the last of the demons (the demon of Fury)

 

holds such a hard and fast thought that it was incorporated into

 

the Hebrew and Christian belief structure. The last archdemon's

 

name is Aeshma Daeva also know to the Hebrews as Ashmadai and to

 

Christians as Asmodeus.

 

Asmodeus was the "chief of the fourth hierarchy of evil demons",

 

called "the avengers of wickedness, crimes and misdeeds." He

 

appears with three heads, a bull's, human, and a ram. He has

 

goose feet, and a snake's tail. To appear more frightening, he

 

also exhales fire and rides upon a dragon of hell.

 

It is said that Asmodeus is not to be feared. When you say to

 

him: "In truth thou art Asmodeus," he will give you a wonderful

 

ring. He will teach you geometry, arithmetic, astronomy and

 

mechanics. When questioned, he answers truthfully.

 

The other demons tempt people away from the true worship of

 

Mazda. They are Paromaiti - Arrogance, Mitox - The Falsely

 

Spoken Word, Zaurvan - Decrepitude, Akatasa - Meddlesomeness,

 

Vereno - Lust.

 

Much of the current day Christian beliefs were taken from this

 

man's religion. (That of good and evil forces, the redemption,

 

the "savior" factor, etc.)

 

From here, let us move on to Egypt where we will look at other

 

mystical symbols and more history of magic and the craft.

 

From here, let us move on to Egypt where we will look at other

 

mystical symbols and more history of magic and the craft.

 

The Sphinx was a mythological creature with lion's body and human

 

head, an important image in Egyptian and Greek art and legend.

 

The word sphinx was derived by Greek grammarians from the verb

 

sphingein (to bind or squeeze), but the etymology is not related

 

to the legend and is dubious.

 

The winged sphinx of Boeotian Thebes, the most famous in legend,

 

was said to have terrorized the people by demanding the answer to

 

a riddle. If the person answered incorrectly, he or she was eaten

 

by the sphinx. It is said that Oedipus answered properly where

 

upon the sphinx killed herself.

 

The earliest and most famous example in art is the colossal

 

Sphinx at Giza, Egypt. It dates from the reign of King Khafre

 

(4th king of 4th dynasty; c. 2550 b.c.)

 

The Sphinx did not occur in Mesopotamia until around 1500 b.c.

 

when it was imported from the Levant. In appearance, the Asian

 

sphinx differed from its Egyptian model mostly in the addition of

 

wings to the leonine body. This feature continued through its

 

history in Asia and the Greek world.

 

Another version of the sphinx was that of the female. This

 

appeared in the 15th century b.c. on seals, ivories and

 

metalworkings. They were portrayed in the sitting position

 

usually with one paw raised. Frequently, they were seen with a

 

lion, griffin or another sphinx.

 

The appearance of the sphinx on temples and the like eventually

 

lead to a possible interpretation of the sphinx as a protective

 

symbol as well as a philosophical one.

 

The Sphinx rests at the foot of the 3 pyramids of Khufu, Khafre,

 

and Menkure. It talons stretch over the city of the dead as it

 

guards its secrets.

 

The myth goes that a prince who later became Thutmose IV, took a

 

nap in the shadow of the half-submerged Sphinx. As he slept, the

 

Sun-god (whom the Sphinx represents, appeared to him in a dream.

 

Speaking to him as a son, he told the prince that he would

 

succeed to the throne and enjoy a long and happy reign. He urged

 

the prince to have the Sphinx cleared of the sand.

 

In his book on Isis and Osiris, Plutarch (A.D. 45-126) says that

 

the Sphinx symbolizes the secret of occult wisdom, though

 

Plutarch never unveiled the mysteries of the Sphinx. It is said

 

that the magic of the Sphinx lies within the thousands of hands

 

that chiseled at the rock. The thoughts of countless generations

 

dwell in it; numberless conjurations and rites have built up in

 

it a mighty protective spirit, a soul that still inhabits this

 

time-scarred giant.

 

Another well know superstition of the peoples of Ancient Egypt

 

was that regarding their dead.

 

They believed that in the West lies the World of the Dead, where

 

the Sun-god disappears every evening. The departed were referred

 

to as "Westerners." It was believed that, disguised as birds, the

 

dead soar into the sky where in his heavenly barge Ra, the Sun-

 

god, awaits them and transforms them into stars to travel with

 

him through the vault of the heavens.

 

The occult of the dead reached it's height when it incorporated

 

the Osiris myth. Osiris was born to save mankind. At his

 

nativity, a voice was heard proclaiming that the Lord had come

 

into the world (sound familiar?). But his brother/father Seth

 

shut him up in a chest which he carried to the sea by the

 

Tanaitic mouth of the Nile. Isis brought him back to life. Seth

 

then scattered his body all over the place. It is said that Isis

 

fastened the limbs together with the help of the gods Nephtis,

 

Thoth, and Horus, her son. Fanning the body with her wings, and

 

through her magic, Osiris rose again to reign as king over the

 

dead.

 

The Egyptian believed that a person had two souls. The sould

 

known as Ba is the one that progressed into the afterlife while

 

the Ka remains with the mummy. The Ka is believed to live a

 

magical life within the grave. Thus the Egyptians placed

 

miniture belongings of the deceased into the tomb. Such items as

 

images, statuettes, imitation utensils, and miniture houses take

 

the place of the real thing. They believed that the Ka would use

 

these as the real item because the mortuary priests possesed

 

magic that would make them real for the dead.

 

The priests believed that the gods could be deceived, menaced and

 

forced into obedience. They had such trust in the power of

 

magic, the virtue of the spoken word, the irresistibility of

 

magic gestures and other ritual, that they hoped to bend even the

 

good gods to their will. They would bring retribution to the

 

deities who failed to deal leniently with the dead. They

 

threatened to shoot lightning into the are of Shu, god of the

 

air, who would then no longer be able to support the sky-goddess,

 

and her star-sown body would collapse, disrupting the order of

 

all things.

 

When Ikhnaton overthrew the Egyptian gods and demons, making the

 

cult of the One God Aton, a state religion, he also suppressed

 

mortuary magic. Ikhnaton did not believe in life after death.

 

As Christianity became a part of this nation, there is much

 

evidence to show where the Christians of the time, and the pagans

 

lived peacefully together.

 

As Christianity became a part of this nation, there is much

 

evidence to show where the Christians of the time, and the pagans

 

lived peacefully together.

 

In theology, the differences between early Christians, Gnostics

 

(members - often Christian - of dualistic sects of the 2nd

 

century a.d.), and pagan Hermetists were slight. In the large

 

Gnostic library discovered at Naj'Hammadi, in upper Egypt, in

 

1945, Hermetic writings were found side by side with Christian

 

Gnostic texts. The doctrine of the soul taught in Gnostic

 

communities was almost identical to that taught in the mysteries:

 

the soul emanated from the Father, fell into the body, and had to

 

return to its former home.

 

It was not until later in Rome that things took a change for the

 

worse. Which moves us on to Greece.

 

The doctrinal similarity is exemplified in the case of the pagan

 

writer and philosopher Synesius. When the people of Cyrene

 

wanted the most able man of the city to be their bishop, they

 

chose Synesius, a pagan. He was able to accept the election

 

without sacrificing his intellectual honesty. In his pagan

 

period, he wrote hymns that follow the fire theology of the

 

Chaldean Oracles. Later he wrote hymns to Christ. The doctrine

 

is almost identical.

 

To attempt to demonstrate this...let's go to some BASIC tenets

 

and beliefs of the two religions:

 

Christian Beliefs

 

The 10 Commandments

 

1.) You shall have no other gods before me.

 

To the Christian, this means there will be no other God. Yet, in

 

the bible, the phrase is plural. I does not state that you will

 

not have another god, it says that you will have no other gods

 

before the Christian God.

 

In the case of the later, it could be interpreted to mean that

 

whereas other gods can be recognised, as a Christian, this person

 

should place YHVH ahead of all gods recognising him/her as the

 

supreme being of all.

 

2.) You shall not worship idols

 

Actually, what it says in the New International Version is "You

 

shall not make for yourself an idol in the form af anything in

 

heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You

 

shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your

 

God, am a jealour God, punishing the children for the sin of the

 

fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

 

but showing love to thousands who love me and keep my

 

commandments.

 

3.) You shall not take the name of the lord in vain.

 

This one is pretty self explanitory. When a person is calling on

 

the lord he/she is asking the lord for guidance or action. Thus,

 

the phrase "God damn it!" can be translated into a person asking

 

the lord to comdemn whatever "it" is to hell. The phrase "To

 

damn" means to condem to hell. In modern society, several

 

phrases such as the following are common usage:

 

"Oh God!", "God forbid!", "God damn it!", "God have mercy!"

 

Each of these is asking God to perform some act upon or for the

 

speaker with the exception of "Oh God!" which is asking for Gods

 

attention.

 

4.) Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.

 

Depending on which religion you are looking at (i.e. Jewish, from

 

which the 10 commandments come; or Christianity, which adapted

 

them for their use as well.) the Sabbath is either Saturday or

 

Sunday. You may also take a look at the various mythological

 

pantheons to corelate which is the first and last days of the

 

week...(i.e. Sun - Sunday.. Genesis 1:3 "And God said, "Let there

 

be light,' and there was light., Moon - Monday.. Genesis 1:14

 

"And God said,"Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to

 

separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to

 

mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the

 

expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16

 

God made two great lights - the greater light to govern the day

 

and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the

 

stars." Thus the Sun was created first. With the day of the Sun

 

being the first in the week, then Saturday would be the 7th or

 

Sabbath.

 

5.) Honor thy mother and thy father.

 

This is another that is fairly self explainitory. It is any

 

parent's right after spending the time to raise you to expect

 

that you respect them.

 

6.) You shall not murder.

 

This does not say "You shall not murder...except in my name." It

 

says YOU SHALL NOT MURDER. PERIOD. Out of the 10 commandments, I

 

have found that over the course of history, this one has been the

 

most ignored. As we look as the spread of Christianity from

 

around 300 A.D. forward, we find that as politics moved into the

 

church and those in charge of man's "souls" were given more

 

control that this one commandment sort of went out the window.

 

We see such things as the Crusades, the inquisition, and the

 

dominating fear that was placed into the Christian "psyche" that

 

one should destroy that which is not like you.

 

Even though we here stories about the "witch trials", and the

 

"witch burnings" etc....There were actually very few "Witches"

 

tried or burned. Most of these poor souls were that of

 

Protestant beliefs (Against the Catholic Church) yet still

 

maintained that they were Christians. But...more on this later.

 

7.) You shall not commit adultery.

 

You can look up the meaning in the dictionary, and this one

 

becomes pretty self-evident. What it comes down to is that no

 

person who has ever been divorced can marry again, and you don't

 

have sex with someone that you are not married to.

 

8.) You shall not steal.

 

Again, enough said. However...don't go looking at Constantine to

 

be obeying this one! The Pagan temples were looted to make his

 

coinage.

 

9.) You shall not give false witness against thy neighbor

 

Again, during the times of the inquisition, this also went out

 

the window. Such tools as torture were used to pull confessions

 

from these poor people who then signed statements that the

 

inquisitors had written up saying that they freely signed this

 

document. Of course...the inquisitors stated that this person

 

was not tortured, but it was his clever wit that had extracted

 

this confession.

 

It was also during this time that persons, refusing to take

 

responsibility for their own actions or accept that nature does

 

in fact create strange circumstances...(i.e. drought, flood,

 

etc.) and the resulting illness and bug infrestations. Very

 

often, as the Witch-craze developed stronger, the one neighbor

 

would accuse another of Witchcraft and destroying the fields or

 

making their child sick, or whatever.

 

10.)You shall not covet your neighbor.

 

On the surface, this one is pretty self explainitory. Don't

 

crave your neighbor's possessions. Yes...I can relate this back

 

to the inquisitional times as well since most of the accused's

 

property reverted back to the Catholic church at this

 

time...there were several accused and convicted of Witchcraft

 

simply because they would not sell their property to the church.

 

However...How does this effect persons today? How far do we

 

carry the "Thou shalt not covet..."? This can be even so much as

 

a want, however is it a sin to want a toy like your neighbor has?

 

If so...we're all in trouble. How many of us "want" that Porsche

 

that we see driving down the road? Or how about that beautiful

 

house that we just drove past? Do we carry this commandment to

 

this extreme? If so...I pity the person that can live by it for

 

what that would say is "Thou shalt not DREAM."

 

Wiccan Beliefs

 

Since the religion of Wicca (or Witchcraft) is so diverse in it's

 

beliefs, I have included several documents here that encompass

 

the majority of the traditions involved. Again, this is simply a

 

basis...NOT the be all and end all.

 

Wiccan Rede

 

Bide ye wiccan laws you must,

 

in perfect love and perfect trust

 

Live ye must and let to live,

 

fairly take and fairly give

 

For the circle thrice about

 

to keep unwelcome spirits out

 

To bind ye spell wll every time,

 

let the spell be spake in rhyme

 

Soft of eye and light of touch,

 

speak ye little, listen much

 

Deosil go by the waxing moon,

 

chanting out ye baleful tune

 

When ye Lady's moon is new,

 

kiss ye hand to her times two

 

When ye moon rides at her peak,

 

then ye heart's desire seek

 

Heed the north winds mighty gale,

 

lock the door and trim the sail

 

When the wind comes from the south,

 

love will kiss thee on the mouth

 

When the wind blows from the east,

 

expect the new and set the feast.

 

Nine woods in the cauldron go,

 

burn them fast and burn them slow

 

Elder be ye Lady's tree,

 

burn it not or cursed ye'll be

 

WHen the wheel begins to turn,

 

soon ye Beltane fires will burn

 

When the wheel hath turned a Yule

 

light the log the Horned One rules

 

Heed ye flower, bush and tree,

 

by the Lady blessed be

 

Where the rippling waters go,

 

cast a stone, the truth ye'll know

 

When ye have and hold a need,

 

harken not to others greed

 

With a fool no season spend,

 

or be counted as his friend

 

Merry meet and merry part,

 

bright the cheeks and warm the heart.

 

Mind ye threefold law ye should

 

three times bad and three times good

 

When misfortune is enow,

 

wear the star upon thy brow

 

True in love my ye ever be,

 

lest thy love be false to thee

 

These eight words the wiccan rede fulfill;

 

An harm ye none, do what ye will.

 

One of the Pagan Oaths recognised nationally here in the U.S.

 

A Pledge to Pagan Spirituality

 

I am a Pagan and I dedicate Myself to channeling the Spiritual

 

Energy of my Inner Self to help and to heal myself and others.

 

* I know that I am a part of the Whole of Nature. May I

 

grow in understanding of the Unity of all Nature. May I

 

always walk in Balance.

 

* May I always be mindful of the diversity of Nature as

 

well as its Unity and may I always be tolerant of those whose

 

race, appearance, sex, sexual preference, culture, and other ways

 

differ from my own.

 

* May I use the Force (psychic power) wisely and never use

 

it for aggression nor for malevolent purposes. May I never

 

direct it to curtail the free will of another.

 

* May I always be mindful that I create my own reality and that

 

I have the power within me to create positivity in my life.

 

* May I always act in honorable ways: being honest with

 

myself and others, keeping my word whenever I have given it,

 

fulfilling all responsibilities and commitments I have taken

 

on to the best of my ability.

 

* May I always remember that whatever is sent out always

 

returns magnified to the sender. May the Forces of Karma move

 

swiftly to remind me of these spiritual commitments when I

 

have begin to falter from them, and may I use this Karmic

 

feedback to help myself grow and be more attuned to my Inner

 

Pagan Spirit.

 

* May I always remain strong and committed to my Spiritual

 

ideals in the face of adversity and negativity. May the Force

 

of my Inner Spirit ground out all malevolence directed my way

 

and transform it into positivity. May my Inner Light shine

 

so strongly that malevolent forces can not even approach my

 

sphere of existence.

 

* May I always grow in Inner Wisdom & Understanding. May I

 

see every problem that I face as an opportunity to develop

 

myself spiritually in solving it.

 

* May I always act out of Love to all other beings on this

 

Planet -- to other humans, to plants, to animals, to minerals,

 

to elementals, to spirits, and to other entities.

 

* May I always be mindful that the Goddess and God in all

 

their forms dwell within me and that this divinity is

 

reflected through my own Inner Self, my Pagan Spirit.

 

.pa

 

* May I always channel Love and Light from my being. May my Inner

 

Spirit, rather than my ego self, guide all my thoughts, feelings, and

 

actions.

 

SO MOTE IT BE

 

In the Wiccan Rede above, and scattered in the oath, we find

 

words such as Perfect Love and Perfect Trust. What are these

 

strange words and what do they mean?

 

Before one can analyse the meaning behind the phrase "Perfect

 

Love and Perfect Trust", one must first define the words. For

 

this purpose, I will use the Webster's New World Dictionary of

 

the American Language 1982 edition. Perfect: adj. [L. per-,

 

through + facere, do] 1. complete in all respects; flawless 2.

 

excellent, as in skill or quality 3. completely accurate 4.

 

sheer; utter [a perfect fool] 5. Gram. expressing a state or

 

action completed at the time of speaking - vt. 1. to complete 2.

 

to make perfect or nearly perfect - n. 1. the perfect tense 2. a

 

verb form in this tense - perfectly adv - perfectness n.

 

Love: n. [<OE. lufu] 1. strong affection or liking of someone or

 

something. 2. a passionate affection for one of the opposite sex.

 

3. The object of such affection, sweetheart.

 

Trust: n.[ON, traust] 1. a) firm belief in the honesty,

 

reliability, etc. of another; faith b) the one trusted 2.

 

confident expectation, hope, etc. 3. responsibility resulting

 

from confidence placed in one. 4. Care, custody 5. something

 

entrusted to one....

 

Using these definitions, we come up with "Flawless strong

 

affection and flawless faith.

 

Is this possible? Those that follow the religion of Wicca often

 

give excuses for this just being words. When this is the case,

 

they are not obeying their faith....thus..they are not following

 

perfect love and perfect trust. But to the rest...the answer is

 

a resounding YES. This does not ask that you "like" a person.

 

It asks that you see the divine light and love within individual

 

whether you like them or not. Can this be done...YES. As to the

 

perfect trust...we can always trust a fox to be a fox right.

 

Therefore, when we are entering circle, we can honestly answer

 

perfect trust even if it is on shaky ground. We may have faith

 

that this person will act like any other human.

 

It with these beliefs and doctrines that I state that not only

 

was the doctrine, or teaching almost identical, but the

 

vocabulary was extensively the same.

 

Greek life was characterized by such things as democratic

 

institutions, seafaring, athletics theatre and philosophy. The

 

mystery religions adopted many expressions from these domains.

 

The word for their assembly was Ekklesia of the mystai. They

 

spoke of the voyage of life, the ship, the anchor and the port of

 

religion, and the wreath of the initiate. The Christians took

 

over the entire terminology, but had to twist many pagan words in

 

order to fit into the Christian world. The term Leitourgia

 

(meaning service of the state) became the ritual or liturgy of

 

the church. The decree of the assembly and the opinions of the

 

philosophers (dogma) became the fixed doctrine of Christianity.

 

The term for "the correct opinion" (orthe doxa) became orthodoxy.

 

The mysteries declined quickly when the emperor Constantine

 

raised Christianity to the status of the state religion. After a

 

short period of toleration, the pagan religions were prohibited.

 

The property of the pagan gods was confiscated, and the temples

 

were destroyed. The metal from which Constantine's gold pieces

 

were coined was taken from the pagan temple treasuries.

 

The main pagan "strong holds" were Rome and Alexandria. In Rome,

 

the old aristocracy clung to the mysteries and in Alexandria the

 

pagan Neoplatonist philosophers expounded the mystery doctrines.

 

In 394, the opposition of the Roman aristocracy was crushed in

 

the battle at the Frigidus River (modern stream of Vipacco, Italy

 

and stream of Vipava, Yugoslavia).

 

According to the Christian theologian Origen, Christianity's

 

development during the time of the Roman Empire was part of the

 

divine plan. The whole Mediterranean world was united by the

 

Romans, and the conditions for missionary work were more

 

favorable than ever before. He explains the similarities as

 

natural considering the cultures etc. The mystery religions and

 

Christianity had many features in common. Some examples of this

 

are found in their time of preparation prior to initiation, and

 

periods of fasting. Their were pilgrimages, and new names for

 

the new brethren. Few of the early Christian "congregations"

 

would be called orthodox according to later more modern

 

standards.

 

Though for many years, the pagan "churches" of this area tried to

 

bring about a unity among their "doctrines", beliefs, and

 

practices to raise support for their practices, the Christian

 

philosophies and doctrines were so organized and strong that this

 

fell as well. Little did they know that a couple hundred miles

 

away, peoples were still worshipping in pagan temples.

 

Let's take a look up north.

 

The worship of trees goes far back into the history of man. It

 

was not until Christianity converted the Lithuanians toward the

 

close of the 14th century that tree worship was thought to be in

 

the past. The truth is...whereas they are not worshiped, they

 

are still honored by society today in the burning of the Yule

 

log, May Day bon-fires, Kissing under the Mistletoe, and the ever

 

famous Christmas tree.

 

The worship of the oak tree or god appears to have been universal

 

by all branches of the Aryan stock in Europe. Both Greeks and

 

Italians associated the tree with their highest god, Zeus or

 

Jupiter, the divinity of the sky, the rain, and the thunder.

 

Possibly one of the oldest and most famous sanctuaries in Greece

 

was that of Dodona, where Zeus was revered in th oracular oak.

 

The thunderstorms which are said to rage at Dodona more

 

frequently than anywhere else in Europe, would render the spot a

 

fitting home for the god whose voice was heard alike in the

 

rustling of the oak leaves and in the crash of thunder.

 

Zeus of Greece, and Jupiter of Italy both were gods of thunder

 

and rain, and to both the oak tree were sacred.

 

To the Celts, or Druids, their worship was conducted in oak

 

groves. The Celtic conquerors, who settled in Asia in the third

 

century b.c., appear to have carried with them the worship of the

 

oak to their new home. In the heart of Asia Minor, the Galatian

 

senate met in a place which bore the Celtic name of Drynemetum,

 

"the sacred oak grove" or "the temple of the oak."

 

In Germany, we find that the veneration for sacred groves seems

 

to have held the foremost place. According to Grimm, the chief

 

of their holy trees was the oak. Again, here we find that it is

 

dedicated to the god of thunder, Donar or Thunar, the equivalent

 

of the Norse Thor. Among the Slavs, the oak tree was sacred to

 

the thunder god Perun. Among the Lithuanians, the oak tree was

 

sacred to Perkunas or Perkuns, the god of thunder and rain.

 

The Christmas tree, usually a balsam or douglas fir, was

 

decorated with lights and ornaments as a part of Christmas

 

festivities. The use of evergreen trees, wreaths, and garlands

 

as a symbol of eternal life was an old custom of the Egyptians,

 

Chinese, and Hebrews. Tree worship, common among the pagan

 

Europeans, survived after their conversion to Christianity in the

 

Scandinavian customs of decorating the house and barn with

 

evergreens at the New Year to scare away the devil and of setting

 

up a tree for the birds during Christmastime. It survived in the

 

custom observed in Germany, of placing a Yule tree inside the

 

house in the midwinter holidays.

 

The modern Christmas tree originated in Western Germany. The

 

main prop of a popular medieval play about Adam and Eve was a fir

 

tree hung with apples (the tree of Paradise) representing the

 

Garden of Eden. The Germans set up the Paradise tree in their

 

homes on December 24, the religious feast day of Adam and Eve.

 

They hung wafers on it (symbolizing the host, the Christian sigh

 

of redemption). In later tradition, the wafers were replaced by

 

cookies of various shapes. Candles were often added as the

 

symbol of Christ, though they were also a pagan symbol for the

 

light of the God.

 

As we can see, even though the pagan community has been trod

 

upon, it was never destroyed. The date of Christmas was

 

purposely fixed on December 25 to push into the background the

 

great festival of the sun god, and the Epiphany on January 5 to

 

supplant an Egyptian festival of the same day and the Easter

 

ceremonies were set to rival the pagan spring festival.

 

Let's take a look at a few of the holidays and compare.

 

As we can see, even though the pagan community has been trod

 

upon, it was never destroyed. The date of Christmas was

 

purposely fixed on December 25 to push into the background the

 

great festival of the sun god, and the Epiphany on January 5 to

 

supplant an Egyptian festival of the same day and the Easter

 

ceremonies were set to rival the pagan spring festival.

 

Let's take a look at a few of the holidays and compare.

 

Easter

 

On Easter Sunday, everywhere, the children hunt the many colored

 

Easter eggs, brought by the Easter rabbit. This is the vestige

 

of a fertility rite, the eggs and the rabbit both symbolizing

 

fertility. The rabbit was the escort of the Germanic goddess

 

Ostara who gave her name to the festival by way of the German

 

Ostern.

 

The first day of Spring holds much in the way of folklore. It is

 

also known as the Spring Equinox, Ostara, Eostre's Day, Alban

 

Eilir, the Vernal Equinox, or Festival of the Trees. It takes

 

place between March 19 and 22. It marks the first day of true

 

spring (verses the balmy weather that may procede it.)

 

The day and night is equal on this day, thus the name of Equinox.

 

There is a story in one culture that says that the sun has begun

 

to win it's race with the night and that the days get longer as

 

the sun pulls ahead. (Followed by the fact that the sun begins to

 

lose the race at Mid-Summer, and loses the race at Mid-Winter

 

just to start the race again the next day.)

 

It is a time of beginnings, of action, of planting seeds for

 

future grains, and of tending gardens. On the first Sunday after

 

the first full moon following Eostre's Day (the name from which

 

the Easter was derived), the Christian religion celebrates it's

 

Easter Day.

 

Spring is a time of the Earth's renewal, a rousing of nature

 

after the cold sleep of winter. As such, it is an ideal time to

 

clean your home to welcome the new season.

 

Spring cleaning is more than physical work. Some cultures see it

 

as a concentrated effort on their part to rid themselves of

 

problems and negativity of the past months and tho prepare

 

themselves for the coming spring and summer.

 

To do this, they approach the task of cleaning their homes with

 

positive thoughts. They believe that this frees the homes of the

 

hard feelings brought about by a harsh winter. Even then, they

 

have guidlines that they follow such as any scrubbing of stains

 

or hand rubbing the floors should be done in a "clockwise"

 

motion. It is their belief that this aids in filling the home

 

with good energy for growth.

 

To the Druidic faith, this is a sacred day occuring in the month

 

of Fearn (meaning, "I am the shining tear of the Sun"). Part of

 

thier practices are to clean and rededicate outdoor shrines,

 

beliving that in doing so they honor the spring maiden. This is

 

a time of fertility of both crops and families. In promoting

 

crops, they believe that the use of fire and water (the sun and

 

rain) will reanimate all life on Earth. They decorate hard-

 

boiled eggs, the symbol of rebirth, to eat during their rites,

 

and such foods as honey cakes and milk punch can also be found.

 

The mothers and daughters give dinners for each other and give

 

cards and gifts as a way of merging with the natural flow of life

 

and with each other. (The Druids consider this also as Mother's

 

Day.)

 

In Greek mythology, spring was the time when Persephone returned

 

from the underworld (where the seed was planted in the barren

 

winter months) and thus represents the seedlings of the spring.

 

Demeter, Persephone's mother represents the fertile earth and the

 

ripend grain of harvest since it is alleged that she is the one

 

that created the need to harvest crops when her daughter was

 

kidnapped and taken to the underworld. It was through an

 

arrangement that her daughter could return for 1/2 the year that

 

Demeter allowed the crops to spring forth for that time until she

 

again went into mourning for her daughter in the fall.

 

In some cultures, even today, the ones that continue to celebrate

 

the rites of spring rise on Easter morning to watch the sun

 

"Dance" as it rises.

 

The Christian festival commenmorating the resurrection of Christ,

 

synchronized with the Jewish Pesach, and blended since the

 

earliest days of Christianity with pagan European rites for the

 

renewed season. In all countries Easter falls on the Sunday

 

after the first full moon on or following March 21. It is

 

preceded by a period of riotous vegetation rites and by a period

 

of abstinence, Lent (in Spain Cuaresma, Germany Lenz, central

 

Italy, Quaresima) and by special rites of Holy Week.

 

Everywhere Easter Sunday is welcomed with rejoicing, singing,

 

candle processionals, flowers in abundance, and ringing of church

 

bells. Many pagan customs survive, such as the lighting of new

 

fires at dawn, among the Maya as well as in Europe, for cure,

 

renewed life, and protection of the crops.

 

May Day

 

The first day of May: observed as a spring festival everywhere in

 

Europe, the United States, and Canada, and as a labor festival in

 

certain European countries.

 

Rites such as the ever famous May Pole occur in the town squares

 

or in the family's front yard. The gathering of green branches

 

and flowers on May Eve is the symbolic act of bringing home the

 

May, i.e. bringing new life, the spring, into the village.

 

The May Queen (and often King) is choosen from among the young

 

people, and they go singing from door to door throughout the town

 

carrying flowers or the May tree, soliciting donations for a

 

merrymaking in return for the "blessing of May". This is

 

symbolic of bestowing and sharing of the new creative power that

 

is stirring in the world. As the kids go from door to door, the

 

May Bride often sings to the effect that those who give will get

 

of nature's bounty through the year.

 

In parts of France, some jilted youth will lie in a field on May

 

Day and pretend to sleep. If any village girl is willing to

 

marry him, she goes and wakes him with a kiss; the pair then go

 

to the village inn together and lead the dance which announces

 

their engagement. The boy is called "the betrothed of May."

 

This festival is also known as Beltane, the Celtic May Day. It

 

officially begins at moonrise on May Day Eve, and marks the

 

beginning of the third quarter or second half of the ancient

 

Celtic year. It is celebrated as an early pastoral festival

 

accompanying the first turning of the herds out to wild pasture.

 

The rituals were held to promote fertility. The cattle were

 

driven between the Belfires to protect them from ills. Contact

 

with the fire was interpreted as symbolic contact with the sun.

 

The rowan branch is hung over the house fire on May Day to

 

preserve the fire itself from bewitchment (the house fire being

 

symbolic of the luck of the house.

 

In early Celtic times, the druids kindled the Beltane fires with

 

specific incantations. Later the Christian church took over the

 

Beltane observances, a service was held in the church, followed

 

by a procession to the fields or hills, where the priest kindled

 

the fire.

 

In some rituals, a King and Queen May symbolize the male and female

 

principles of productivity.

 

We have looked briefly at the similarities of the philosophies

 

and vocabularies, but is that all that they had in common? Let's

 

look at symbologies.

 

For many years, the cross has been the symbol representing the

 

death of the Christian Christ. It has represented that through

 

his death, man could be reborn into God's grace. Thus, we have

 

the philosophy of life in death being connected to the cross.

 

Is this the only time where this symbol was recognized as such?

 

Let's go back to Egypt and find out.

 

An upright piece of wood, tied to a horizontal beam indicated the

 

height of the flood waters on the Nile. This beam formed a

 

cross. If the waters failed to rise during the season of

 

planting, it meant a poor harvest for these people. Thus the

 

cross was revered as a symbol of life and regeneration.

 

The Ankh represents the genitals of both sexes. The cross itself

 

is a primitive form of the phallus, and the loop that of the

 

womb. Again, we continue the symbol of the cross as the giver of

 

life.

 

Oh my gosh...did I use the word phallus in connection with the

 

cross? Oops!

 

Yes...even prior to this time was the cross a symbol of the

 

phallus or fertility. This is not the only thing that the

 

phallus has symbolized over the many centuries within and without

 

the pagan world. It has also been used as a symbol of strength.

 

Within the Bible, we find several references to the horn also as

 

a symbol of strength.

 

2 Samuel 22:3 - He is my shield, and the horn of my salvation.

 

Luke 1:69 - And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us.

 

Psalm 18:2 - He is my shield and the horn of my salvation.

 

The move from horn to helmet is followed up also in the bible as

 

follows:

 

Isaiah 59:17 - For he put an helmet of salvation upon his head.

 

Ephesians 6:17 - Take the helmet of salvation.

 

1 Thessalonians 5:8 - ...putting on faith and love as a

 

breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.

 

In Roman days a warrior would were horns on his helmet. If he

 

came back defeated, he was said to have been dehorned. There are

 

several references where a soldier who lost his helmet on the

 

field was killed for this offense because it meant dishonor for

 

him to loose his horn.

 

Shakespeare had much knowledge of the use of horns as a symbol of

 

protection and victory as is evident in his works "As You Like

 

It" (IV,2) and in "Measure for Measure" (II,4:16) when he writes:

 

"Let's write good angell on the devill's horne; tis not the

 

devill's crest."

 

Even in modern days, the Catholic Church uses this symbol when

 

setting the mitre upon the head of a newly consecrated bishop.

 

The words used at such a time are: "We set on the head of this

 

Bishop, O Lord, Thy champion, the helmet of defense and of

 

salvation, that with comely face and with his head armed with the

 

horns of either Testament he may appear terrible to the

 

gainsayers of the truth, and may become their vigorous assailant,

 

through the abundant gift of Thy grace, who didst make the face

 

of Thy servant Moses to shine after familiar converse with Thee,

 

and didst adorn it with the resplendent horns of Thy brightness

 

and Thy truth and commandedst the mitre to be set on the head of

 

Aaron, Thy high priest, Etc..." (Copies in Latin and translated

 

can be found in The Order Consecration of a Bishop Elect with the

 

imprimatur of H. Card. Vaughn, p. 14, Burns and Oates, 1893.)

 

If we are looking at protections and the like, we must look at

 

the use of stones and crystals within our lives. Yes, even in

 

the Christain bible, the powers and uses of stones is mentioned.

 

Exodus 28:15-21 - "Fashion a breastpiece for making decisions -

 

the work of a skilled craftsman. MAke it like the ephod: of

 

gold, and of blue, purple and scarlet yarn, and of finely twisted

 

linen. It is to be square - a span (9 inches) wide - and folded

 

double. Then mount four rows of precious stones on it. In the

 

first row there shall be a ruby, a topaz and a beryl; in the

 

second row a turquoise, a sapphire (or lapis lazuli) and an

 

emerald; in the third row a jacinth, an agate and an amethyst; in

 

the fourth row a chrysolite, an onyx and a jasper. Mount them in

 

gold filigree settings. There are to be twelve stones, one for

 

each of the names of the sons of Israel, each engraved like a

 

seal with the name of one of the twelve tribes."

 

Exodus 28:9-14 - Take two onyx stones and engrave on the the

 

names of the sons of Israel in the order of their birth - six

 

names on one stone and the remaining six on the other. Engrave

 

the names of the sons of Israel on the two stones the way a gem

 

cutter engraves a seal. Then mount the stones in gold filigree

 

settings and fasten them on the shoulder pieces of the ephod as

 

memorial stones for the sons of Israel. Aaron is to bear the

 

names on his shoulders as a memorial before the Lord. Make gold

 

filigree settings and two braided chains of pure gold, like a

 

rope, and attach the chains to the settings.

 

Though it does not say as much, we might take the engraving as a

 

form of runes, again creating a similarity between the craft and

 

religions of old.

 

From man's search for protection, we come to the telling by the

 

stars...Astrology, and the use of stars as protectors of man.

 

The lore behind the star of David is an interesting tale. The

 

easy interpretation is that of Zionism. The more research you do

 

on this though, you will find that once again, depending on the

 

cultures you look at, it's interpretation changes. The six-

 

pointed star formed by the superimposing of one triangle on

 

another. The symbol is a combination of the male (apex upwards)

 

and female (apex downwards) triangles; it is said, in cabalistic

 

writings, to comprise the signs of the four elements and the four

 

letters of the Tetragrammaton, and thus it came to be the symbol

 

for God. Since the Biblical commandment puts a taboo on the use

 

of the Name of God and on the depiction of God, the symbol was

 

inscribed as the graphic representation of God in synagogues and

 

wherever the Name was appropriate. In alchemy, the star of David

 

combined the symbols for fire and water; hence, it meant

 

distillation. Until recently, therefore, it appeared on shops

 

selling brandy. The star of David is the symbol of Zionism and

 

appears on the flag of Israel. As Solomon's seal, the hexagram

 

possessed power to control demons of all kinds. The stopper on

 

the bottle containing the bottle imp or jinni was stamped with

 

the seal of Solomon. In the Nsibidi script of West Africa, a

 

native form of writing, the symbol means ardent love; the

 

universality of the male-female content of the sign is here

 

apparent.

 

Astrology also has interesting roots. Though the word itself is

 

made up of the Greek words meaning "star logic" (astra - star,

 

Logos - logic), the actual origin is yet to be determined. We

 

read in the Epic of Creation of Sumer - Akkad, or Early Babylon

 

(ca 2200-1900 B.C.) that: "The Star - Jupiter who brings

 

prophecies to all is my Lord. My Lord be at peace. The Star -

 

Mercury allows rain to fall. The Star - Saturn, the star of Law

 

and Justice..."

 

The telling of fortunes by the stars underwent an avid growth

 

spurt during the times of the Roman Empire, and though with minor

 

qualms with the Christian church, it co-existed peacefully until

 

the time of Constantine when all "pagan" activities were

 

outlawed. Though outlawed within the Roman Empire, Astrology

 

continued to thrive within the Middle East.

 

I realize that I said that I would touch on the inquisition and

 

such, however, I think that it is common knowledge the document

 

used to persecute those involved was written by the Friars within

 

the Catholic Church at the time. The document, The Malleus

 

Maleficarum, was a document designed to bring about fear within

 

the Christian community, and more power to the church. What is

 

not widely realized is that the majority of the persons that were

 

either burned, drowned, or hung were not witches, but Protestants

 

within the Christian church. (The ones that were Protesting the

 

Catholic church.)

 

I realize that, at this time, this is a rather sketchy document.

 

I hope in the near future to be able to take the time to develop

 

more of the depth that I would like to put into bring up our

 

roots. I hope to include in the expanded edition the times of

 

burning, modern witchcraft, more symbols, and famous persons in

 

the craft.

 

We've changed...but then as a good friend has told me on more

 

than one occasion..."When we cease to change, we cease to grow.

 

When we cease to grow, life ends."

 

Bibliography

 

The Golden Bough - Frazer, Sir James George, Macmillan Publishing

 

Co., NY, NY c 1922

 

Witchcraft The Old Religion - Martello

 

Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary of Folklore, Mythology and

 

Legend

 

The History of Witchcraft - Russell, Jeffrey B., c 1980

 

Encyclopedia Britanica - 1986

 

The Holy Bible (New International Version)

 

Under the Spell of the Zodiac - Mark Graubard

 

Alchemy: Origin or Origins? - H. J. Sheppard, AMBIX, July 1970

 

Magic, Supernaturalism, and Religion - Seligmann c 1948

 

This Bibliography encompasses the entire 7 document series here

 

on this series.

 

 

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You are so sad... Well, anyway, no matter how hard you believe, it is not possible. The mind cant do anything alone. Sorry to burst your bubble. Basically, by your theory, If I 'believed' hard enough, 404058320397 dollars would fall into my lap. *strains really hard* sorry.

 

All your suggesting is a 'nice' world, a world where everything is 'right' according to your narrow minded thinking. This syndrom is common. People tend to base very important decisions on things that have no evidence to back them. Basically here is the sum of their thinking------

 

"There is no evidence aside from one book that says god exists, so he must exist."

 

"It doesnt matter that about 400000 other books say he doesnt exist, he still exists."

 

"The fact that there are over 50 other world renowned religeons saying that god as one entity doesnt exist doesnt matter, he still exists."

 

The_One

 

 

How come its so easy to disprove all these time travel theories?

 

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Re: Speaking of Narrow minds

 

Friend The One of EarthTR125.0121

 

Your reasoning is quite outstanding, however and pray tell, in what do you base yourself to denominate the fellow believer as SAD.

 

In fact I do find his post quite interesting, educative and enlightning at least from an anthropological point of view. But please tell us why is this being SAD. Because I sure do not think so laddy.

 

Until later becomes now

 

 

Until Later Becomes Now

 

Tempus Rerum Imperator

 

 

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"Look at the Merlin story...it was a myth, but who knows?"

 

Merlin wasn't a wizard. He wasn't english. Walt Disney never does anything right.

 

Merlin(Ambrosius Merlinnus) was a Welsh prophet and Military commander who servered under 4 kings(Vortigern, can't remember, Uther Pendragon, and Arthur). Merlin served under Arthur filling the Roman role(in war) as the "Draconarius"(Dragon-bearer). Merlin carried the Red Dragon of Wales into the battles. When the Dragon roared and breathed fire(not really-I believe it was a flag, or pennant of some type), the sky turned red, and the Welsh forces would rally behind Merlin, and charge into the Angle, Saxon, and Jute armies(the germanic invaders who poured into Albion when the Roman forces left to defend Rome itself).

 

Merlin predicted his own death, and he predicted the war(and it's outcome) between the Celtic Welsh/Scots vs. Angles, Saxons, and Jutes.

 

He was called a "Wizard" to create anti-sentiment. The opposition(France) didn't like him-but commoners did. But they didn't like wizards. So they called him a wizard. He wasn't a wizard. He was a Christian priest. Christianity came to Albion(Celtic name of England because of the White Cliffs of Dover-Albion means "White"-that's where we get "Albino") during Roman occupation(which lasted about 500 years).

 

Watching a Disney movie doesn't give you a degree in History.

 

And I think you've been watching "The Matrix" a little too much. "Free Your Mind" doesn't work in this Revolution. Sorry.

 

 

Que sera, sera

 

Whatever will be, will be

 

The future's not our's to see,

 

Que sera, sera.

 

(that's what you think!!)

 

 

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