WHICH WAY ARE WE ACTUALLY TRAVELING???

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RELIGIOUS BOOKS CLAIM THAT THERE WILL BE A FUTURE AND IT IS PRE-DETERMINED FOR US. WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT SOMEDAY CERTAIN THINGS WILL EVENTUALLY HAPPEN.IF THIS IS TRUE THEN, TIME AS WE KNOW IT HAS AN ENDING, AND WHAT HAPPENS DURING ITS SPELL WAS MENT TO HAPPEN.WHAT WE CLAIM IS THE FUTURE IS ACTUALLY THE PAST, IE THAT THE FUTURE IS ALREADY WRITTEN, THEREFORE IT IS THE PAST THAT WE SEE. WHAT WE SEE AND HEAR IS IN THE PAST. TIME AN INVENTION BY THE CREATOR IS MOVING WITHIN ITSELF, IT HAD A START AND IT ALSO HAS AN END OR WILL NOT EXIST SOMEDAY. THE REAL QUESTION IS -WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE TIME?, AND, WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER TIME? THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!

 

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A few points if you please.

1- Get of the capslock key. On the net it's called YELLING and is considered rude. You're forgiven this time, but there is no need to YELL on a message board.

2- Time will come to an end at the collapse of the universe whether ANY religion foretells it or not.

3- If the future is already known and DICTATED by what I take is YOUR religion, why do you bother doing anything at all? It's all ordained. You have no choice. No free will. What keeps you from just laying down and dying right now, right on the spot? After all it's going to be OK if you do since it's all pre-ordained anyway. Right?

Peace.

 

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The other possibility is this:

God purposely created the universe using Quantum Mechanical rules so that even He wouldn't know what the exact outcome would be. If the motions of planets are managed by chaos, then calculating where things will be billions of years in the future would be VERY difficult, but not impossible. If, however, the rules involve perfect randomness, then even an infinitely powerful computer would not be able to predict what would happen.

Also, if God has given us free will, then even he couldn't predict what the future would be like. For example, if you know the exact speed at which a roulette wheel is begun spinning and when the ball will be dropped, then with a VERY powerful computer, you could figure out where the ball will drop. But if you don't know exactly how fast the wheel will be spun or exactly when the ball will drop, then you will NEVER be
able to guess the final resting spot. If we truly have free will, then God will not know how fast the wheel is spun or when the ball will be dropped. Thus, he will not know who, if anyone, will win and how that will affect their lives.

He can, however, control major events so as to move history in the direction he wants. Thus, on average, the evil may be punished and the good may be rewarded, but not in any specific and predictable way.

So instead of lying down and just waiting to die as Lee suggested (<g>), I would suggest that you liquidate all your assets and give them to me because I am CERTAIN that whatever God there is would think it a very selfless act of you and would reward you later in life! <g>

 

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Hey, randomness????. Think about this. Prior to any action you take everyday , ninty nine percent of the time before the action is made by you you will know the outcome. Forexample prior to going to the toilet you know what you are about to do. Or another one- when you see a red taffic light while driving a car , you will immidiatelly go for the brakes (here also you have seen what your about to do- you have seen the past).Or what people claim is the future. Therefore the past(or the future) has predetermined your outcome.
But how wrong it would be not to relieve youreslf, and how wrong would it be for you not to stop. Here you have no control but to follow the predetermined actions. If the negative outcome is not seen then the world would realy be a random one.

 

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What you are saying would be to easy to achieve. The probabillity that you and I and everything else exists is enormous. It is so enormous , that we will always search for the answer.
You must agree ,when you dont know the reason for your existence , it would be easy for you to kill your self. However when you know the reason for your existence, and you are here for a reason then you will accept your death when it is time.

 

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On the contrary. If you need that belief so be it.

I don't care why I am here, I only know that I am. Why you think that should bother someone is beyond me.

It appears to me that your lack of acceptance of the randomness of the universe is because you are looking at it only superficially.

In your example to nolo, your need to urinate did not proceed along a totally predictable course. Your need resulted form earlier random desires to ingest liquids that led to your bladder getting full.

Once you began to relieve yourself, (even tho this SIMPLE act was predicted by your urges), there was great randomness as the molecules of liquid came into contact with the water in the bowl producing randomly generated eddys of current that affected the way the toilet flushed in a way that it was totally unique to THAT occurance or your relieving yourself.

If you only look on the surface of the workings of the universe, it is easy to see why someone would say all things are predictable, but the further you look into the details of the inner workings, the more you realize that predictability itself deteriorates with the detail of inquiry.

At the Quantum level, this manifests itself in what is known as the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, and it is indeed a very real problem for physics.

So if you want to insist that all is predictable, I will insist that the reason you think so is that you do not look closely enough.

By the way, I was being facetious in asking why you don't just lay down and die, but if you do indeed think that all is preordained, I'm left with no other choice but to ask it.

Nolo took a more humorous approach to his admonishment, and was probably more effective for having done so. I would still say tho that the further you look at what constitutes reality, the more random you will see that it is.

I do not dispute God in saying this, merely that we mortals cannot ever possibly know all the workings of the mind of any God. Be he called Jehova, God, Vishnu, Odin or Allah. I would never play a game I always knew the outcome of. Why would Allah create a universe that was totally predictable? Surely He bores even more easily than I.

Peace.