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If some one went back in time, it would affect future events and alter history, but we wouldn't know it. it would be instantious.
 
That's true, which leads some people to believe that the people in our future have actually already travelled back in time without us even noticing. You see, time goes on forever, it's infinite. So if you think about it, the people in the year 20000000000000000000000 A.D. could actually have visited us at one time and changed everything for the better or worse, but we wouldn't know it. Kinda cool if you ask me.
 
Well that depends on whether anyone will ever figure out exactly what "time" is......it could just be a measurement or it could be one reality or it could the be the multiverse (which I do not prefer that theory) or there may be a universal censor so that you can't screw with the past or you just can't travel through time!

That's my two cents,

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izzy guest & Matt Williams

<<If some one went back in time, it would affect future events and alter history, but we wouldn't know it. it would be instantious.>>
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<<the people in the year 20000000000000000000000 A.D. could actually have visited us at one time and changed everything for the better or worse, but we wouldn't know it.>>

Very good points. I agree, it would be instantaneous for us. The changes and revisions to those altered would take place at a blink of an eye.

They hold all the cards; omniscient of what the next hand will be played before it's even dealt. It's easy for Time Travelers to know which people and events to maneuver according to whatever their manipulative form of a temporal barometer, they use to monitor with humanity, foretells. All ensuring them that proper regulation to implement an incursion is in healthy weather for manipulation.

The TimeTravelActivist has been pondering of such an accepted fate of this world for the past few days now. Where I have come to see my past as a neatly woven existence, where a new piece of cloth has come in the way and is now in conflict, and is merging with what has already been sown into me. To have me become incomplete, and allow the world to be delivered soft boiled to the New Agers, and sinners.

And now, where the ends meet, and the strings are tighly pulled at both ends, it becomes sealed and forever unchanged. Stitched in my presence here now, I go forth changed, weary of my failed mission; futile as it may be I battle the Time Travel threat the way a toothpick can cause a flat on a tank.

I think my diminished will can best be explained through a poem I wrote last year, describing the way I feel about my responsibilities when the TTA is feeling under the weather.

No doubt, Clara is going to take this opportunity of me posting my poem to make her stupid statement of "claim your power." Which is why I didn't post it sooner.

Now without futher ado, I introduce to you, "A Descendants Journey:"

~~~~~~~~~~~~
A Descendants Journey
By: Javier Cortez acopyright2002
Created on: July 1st 2001
~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is my journey. a descendant's journey.

There is a power, a far different power that I have known... Within me.

I find that this power, it's strength, it's will, forces all that is good in me, to a region in my soul that I can no longer claim as my own.

I have found that within my spirit, lays a darker secret yet un-revealed to me. Leading me towards the conclusion of the beginning, and the infinite.

Firing my soul, to light the way to the darken trenchess's of forever. I venture it alone, finding no help what so ever, of the horror I may find along my way there.

The journey is hard, and I can feel my soul becoming consumed by the darkness.

Releasing what little strength remains in my soul, I fight, and extinguish the evil that I have been eluding all of my life.

What I find there, the remains of the others that came before me. They too have failed.

And I too, will soon fall short of the light.

Its hold is tight and my soul is tired; yet still I struggle, and to no end can I find peace.

My memories of an ancient land, echo in my mind like and endless hall to forever. And as I walk through this hall, I feel an inner voice speak to me from the world I left behind. And it says: "Do not live this life like a specter, avoiding your destiny, but live this life like if you have a destiny."

Though, my mangled battered soul screams out in agony to have the suffering stop. My frail body, barely able to hold it's own. And the voice saying: "You must complete your destiny" is far more taunting and destructive to my soul, then the impeding death that is approaching.

And to my return, from this -my final conflict, I come to be a man with a darken and empty void. Where failure has overwhelmed my body and soul, and where my consciousness now speaks against me, no longer a part of me.

All but a faint memory of my former self, fading away from the remembrance of the existence I once prodly called my own.

And, to the final destination, I will arrive to it, a broken down man, crawling on my hands and knees, to this my fate is sealed. To bow at the feet of my master, who I've turned away. For this lonely shell of a man, who for thousands of years has challenged and opposed the one power, that binds all that is and was, has given in to it and failed. <hr size="1" width="80%" color="#000099" align="left">
 
TimeTravelActivist,

Regarding your Descendants Journey. You were born a optimist because you see an opportunity in every difficulty!!!

I know there is great difficulty is the fight againt Time Travel. Many people who claim to be righteous are really just greedy power hungry individual who will step all over everybody else just to get what they want!

3 years here on the forum and still going strong! You have a undieing optimistic attitude!

Therefore the odds are in your favor that you can never fail!


CAT...
 
TTA

Bummer!

Some guy on here said he could teleport a cheese sandwich (given optimal conditions). You should have him send you one.

A cheese sandwich is good for the soul you know. And if you can get the chicken soup with it, it's next to heaven.
 
A Regurgitated Barfy Limburger Cheese Sandwich is more like it!

You'd have to slam it down with some schlivowitz schnapps!

Sorry I'll have to pass on this one!


CAT...
 
Calcite Crystal Creedo,
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Oh thats right! It might bring on another attack of the Kidney Stones!

Lay off the Corona's Sphere!


CAT...
 
Dear CAT, you are not as abusive as they come, you also need a medication for you PMS mood swings.

Collapsing realities was actually a proposal that was brought to my attention by Pamela More, who post mostly on the Anomaies net.

This was a said by More, concering some said aspects of a certain govermental agency, who was planning to make false realities, in the event of a nuclear holicost.

Pamela had asked me about such a variant and I had told her, that since eventsd are uasually nature as quantum event bubbles.
If this is so, then there is not telling as to the actual or proposed stability of an alternate reality.

This is based upon the concept of the multiverse, which simply states, that because any one world uasually does have to have a corosponding backup reality to both relate and time itself, then there must be more than one coppy of that singular world.

DEAR CAT;On my other post, I DID tell you the truth.

I would never make fun of you, however you seem to have elected to be abusive towards me?

I'm not going to take this and I'll give it right back.

However your smallness, is not the issue here, alternate possably formed realities, manufactured from a main stream of multiversed worlds is the issue.

Therer are two sources within the mythical prose of affairs.

One is, a diminishing quantum bubble as shown on the Star Trek Next Generations, where Beverly Crusher is trapped within an ever diminishing quantum bubble, that almost erases her.

The second is the visualization, that the multiverse of worlds, is similar to a tinker toys stile of construction, where at any one time, all worlds can exist?

The key to your question sir, is that if there are established worlds who are all out of frequency with one another?
Then if a new world or reality were formed from any one event, then what would be the proposed stability of this new off-shoot world, due to the future or past be altered.

Froinstance if I were to say to CAT, "Hey pull down your pants, and the the entire board see your beautifull rear-end"?

In one reality, where I did not say this in another reality, then how would this happenstance of CAT showing her lovely bum, where she would not have, change the stability of that altered world, were she had not showed her wonderful dariaire at all?

Many worlds many interpratations, however are new offshoot worlds, so deemed stable?

"The moon rises over Gibralter tonight"
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<<Dear CAT, you are not as
abusive as they come, you
also need a medication for
you PMS mood swings.>>

Dont worry I have a gatling gun for that!

<<Collapsing realities was actually a proposal
that was brought to my
attention by Pamela More, who
post mostly on the Anomaies
net.>>

Yes I know all about pamela and your crush on her! Get over it she is heart broken over Titor!

<<Pamela had asked me about such
a variant and I had
told her, that since eventsd
are uasually nature as quantum
event bubbles.
If this is so, then there
is not telling as to
the actual or proposed stability
of an alternate reality.>>

So you like taking bubble baths with Pamela hu?

<<One is, a diminishing quantum bubble
as shown on the Star
Trek Next Generations, where Beverly
Crusher is trapped within an
ever diminishing quantum bubble, that
almost erases her.>>

You have a crush on Beverly? Pamela will be jealous!

<<The second is the visualization, that
the multiverse of worlds, is
similar to a tinker toys
stile of construction, where at
any one time, all worlds
can exist?>>

You still play with tinker toys? well that explains it!

<<The key to your question sir,
is that if there are
established worlds who are all
out of frequency with one
another?
Then if a new world or
reality were formed from any
one event, then what would
be the proposed stability of
this new off-shoot world, due
to the future or past
be altered.>>

Please refrain from calling me sir, Madam will do!

<<Froinstance if I were to say
to CAT, "Hey pull down
your pants, and the the
entire board see your beautifull
rear-end"?>>

And beautifull it is!

<<In one reality, where I did
not say this in another
reality, then how would this
happenstance of CAT showing her
lovely bum.>>

Creedo, please tell your pants its not polite to point!

<<Many worlds many interpratations, however are
new offshoot worlds, so deemed
stable?>>

Certainly not you! You have isues!

<<"The moon rises over Gibralter tonight"
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>>

Your coming to suck my blood hu?

I think your alittle batty if you ask me. Why dont you go suck on a giraffe or eat some neck-tarines!

Better yet, take the next blood vessel back to Lemuria!

Your just a complete SUCKER!
 
RE: time travel affecting future events

PAST ISSUES AS ASKED:

I had only answered the primary question, which was on varaince of actions within time lines.(period)

No I dont have a crush on Pamela, however Pamelas missing time and mine are exactly alike, and she too, was abusive to me, however later on became consileotory.

"Pam"s nice, but no nookie please"!?

Your actions?....Well I would say that this would be an example of what is known as a spiked hormone reaction, to a new commer.

As in<"You dirty son-of-a-bitch, what gives ytou the right to smile and raise your arms giving off your body odor and make as if you don't care about me scolding you"!

Cant you see that I'm the most dominant female here.

How dareyou look nonchalant, when I'm demanding attention???!!!

GOT THAT DOWN PRETTY WELL' DON'T YOU THINK?

Like I've said, Ive come out of the closet on my abilites to contact out of frequency beings and other aspects here.

If you want to put forth another hormonal display CAT, then be my guest?

With your witche's pre-hormone placed within such an avid display, why not let's all see your rump, so that we will truly be impressed with you?
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Oh excuse me folks I just have to BUTT in here even though I have nothing to say.

I don't know why we keep you around creedo. Maybe it is because no one else around here wants the honor of being the loopiest one here. There is no law against being a fruit cake. Hey, crazy people have feelings too? Good. But don't expect to be cut any slack on that account.

Maybe the Aliens are going to attack from an alternate dimension and you will be the only one to see them coming. Thanks for the warning and all that jazz.

I do like your posts. Especially the shorter ones.
 
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Loopiest one around?

Try chapeter and verse, from Barbra Marcinack's book, (Earth The Pleiadean Keys To The Living L:ibrary.

Advisement from Marcinack, that the sun is not only fragil, however has a conciousness.

Ed Dame, Art Bell show, (What we found, is that the sun knew of our presence, when we had approched to a certain distance near to the surface of the sun.

The Naviho Spirit Walkers, advisment to the Ed Dames R.V. team, not to go any closer that a certan distance to the sun.

Like Im saying why dont you try to talk to this sun, all you have to do is wear the crystals on your body, as I have.

If you do it wrong, the sun will suck your soul out of you.

Go on big mouth, you know everything and whos loopie, so what's stopping you?

>Other data.The man who was too strange to die in a war, source The Webster's Unified Dictionary.Exmaples, feel out of a allied bomber at twentynine thousand feet and landed into a snow drift.

Also fell into a pit of posionous gas and lives, plus electricuted and lived in industry after the war.

I'm not loopie, only differnt from what you understand?

Fruitcake?Yes I can exact curses over the net, however your only a small fry and really not worth it.

CAT had squared off with me and slamed a few torpedos into my mid section and I gave it right back to her.

What busniess is it of yours?
 
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Creedo

Ok, ok, so I'm on your case. I admit it.

<<<<what bisiness is it of 'mine'>>>>

Well none actually. I'm just the sort of neurotic who can't walk down the beach without poking at the jelly fish. I'll soon tire of picking on you and move onto some other equally moronic behavior.

<<<if you do it wrong the sun will suck your soul out>>>>

Maybe it already has. The opportunity is there.
I worry more about the Moon pumping souls in. (be ware!)

<<<you're only a small fry and not worth it>>>

Amen to that bro. If I had a life I wouldn't be here talking to the likes of you.
 
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Thanks AT-TAC for covering by butt(in more ways than one)while I couldnt post!

Creedo has more sexually subliminal exuses in his posts than a Hong Kong phonebook!

I bet I know whats on his agenda this weekend? Going to the hardware store for the sale on 10 cents a screw.

And Amb"ass"ador Lipshits of Lemuria if your not a Hemroid then stay off my @ss!

Surprisingly, you do have one thing in my favor. Post #6 in the thread "no public time postings" where you say you are against time travel. You need to speak more frequently about that in your posts.


CAT...
 
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I didn't start it CAT, you had attacked me first, I only replied.

Oh I'm sorry, I don't know how these insults occur however they just do.

You know what happened when the moved the Catholic rectory next door to the pornography shop, with an adjoining door opening between the two buildings?

Father Johnson told his boys in black with white collars, "Hey men' you know that your sexuality is a gift from God, so be damned carefull how you use it"?

You had called me sexually subversive?

Hmmmmmm?, ah Weeellll"? Hmmmmmmm, some pensive foot tapping.

Minor male hissy fits, at the complexity of phylosphy in CAT'S statement?????HHHHMMmmmmmmmmmm?????Aaaahhhh' weeellll, aaahhh?
Hhhhhmmmm.

The answer is, you have hormones, """your pretty""", I'm five years old have never felt this way about a girl>>>Here is a kiss on the cheek, flowers, slight hug.

I've given you a kiss, now I have got to run and tell my mommy!
Creedo goes skipping off..

*All men at the strip joints where the babes come bouncin out, secertly look at those women as their mommie.

The bottle of beer can be replaced by a nursing bottle and secretly what their all saying is,"Mummy'!Up there there's mummie!

"Oh its great to nurse and feel a breast up aginst my face and be in the comfort of Mummy"!

Sex and the toppic of sex is eventaully so dangerous, that eventually Frued would adopt a, "What the Hell do you want now"!? attitude.

Why come to me with your sexual problems, I'm not God!

Go get you favorite photo or sexual effigey and do you own private thing over there aaannnddd "LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE"!
 
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Creedo,

It appears that your the one that is sexually fustrated!

Hmmmmmm, there must be a full moon?


CAT...

P.S. If I might suggest a book by Jean Jaques Roussea the entire book is about male masturbation! Have fun
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Yeah' your right CAT.I don't like standing on your doorstep naked, painted head to toe in green, peeing in one of your flower pots; as I'm the one whos sexually frustraited?

Why the other night I look at a sexy picture in the Penney's catalog and as uasual got so excited, that I had grab my knee and as uasual and nothing happned????

Maybe I need some sexual instruction.

I ask for stag films at the vido store, however I'm tired of watching those darned male deers, they do nothing for me???

Thanks for the offer on the book, I better get out of here?
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First - Hola, Sr. Oficial "TimeCop" Cortez. Como te pican las pulgas? Bien, yo espero!

Second -

Izzy,

The probem with theoretical time travel into the past and changing events is a bit deeper than you've posted.

If time travel into the past was possible then each and every time traveler would affect some change in the past events. In effect there would be no "history" as we think of the concept because the past would forever be in a state of flux.

The changes and how we perceive them is impossible to describe. Its not a matter of the changes taking place in "the blink of an eye." The time machines, time travelers and the changes in the history lay in out past light cone. It's already happened. See the problem? It's already happened yet it's also in a state of constant flux. Our minds are not equipped to handle that concept adequately enough to truly describe it (let alone be a part of it).

For me, that's a strong psychological argument against time travel being invented in this universe. Our concept of history argues against time travel ever being invented. Beings who occupy a time travel enabled universe would be mentally equipped to handle the concept as a matter of SOP fact.

A philosophical argument against time travel is the lack of time machines today. I understand that one can argue that there are time machines - but they are part of a secret being closely held by (fill in the blank).

However, that's not a logical conclusion. Secrets can't be kept forever - and time machines can violate causality. It would make no diffrence when time machines are invented. Once they are used to travel into the past and future the secret is out. After a few hundred thousand years of use the "secret" is everywhere on the timeline.

Of course, the perspective that I used in the previous paragraph is that of a "god" standing outside this universe and looking in. Such a being could see when the machine was invented and trace its permeation of the timeline.

It's very different for the inhabitants inside the universe. From their perspective they "see" time machines in their past...no matter where one exists on the time line there is a past culture who had time travel capabilities. Ultimately the first, and most ancient culture, was time travel enabled. It was there always and forever...and no one can say who invented it or when.

How life itself evolves is equally strange, if time travel, thus causality violation is permitted.

Our sun will eventually bloat into a red giant and incinerate the Earth. In our fantasy universe, Earth is time travel enabled at the time just before the sun gobbles us up. That last and most advanced culture some 5 billion years in the future has the ability to escape into the past to avoid the end. They travel to 2 million BC and start humanity anew.

Where did "mankind" come from? These people from the future were the first human inhabitants on the planet. They were the first and last, the alpha and the omega. All mankind thereafter sprang from them: they created themselves. Where did they acquire their time travel capability? From their ancestors who,ultimately, got it from them in 2 million BC (from the past), and from the same people in 5 billion AD (from the future).

Again, that's not our view of the world. Time machines are mysterious objects to us and shouldn't be if time travel was possible.

I've purposely avoided the physics aspect of why time travel isn't possible. Maybe we can visit General Relativity later.
 
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