Can we update the ether theory

[Irving]

I read recently in a web page (i dont remember the direction)this thing:

A new theory including the mithical ether, and why it exist in this universe i dont think in this but maybe can be true, i mean, like a scientist i need to take line not false all the theories and put it on a smart test to know its true or false, o.k. now are you listened about this theory, i wish to know more about it, if yes write me, if not did you think in a existance posibility for the ether in this universe.

Good bay.

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[Time02112]

I think that when many people contemplate the underlying forces of the universe, perhaps they may be referring to the “ISNESS”, or rather a collective consciousness in which we are all connected to the cosmos.

It is theorized that everything within the universe is, an infinite collection of energy, that which is intelligent & alive, from the enigmatic vast collection of planetary bodies, and star clusters within the galaxies that fill this void, on down to the smallest particles within every known element of matter.

I would like some feedback as to your thoughts about this anyone?
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[The Doctor]

sound good so far, continue...I want the whole story.

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[mokrie dela]

There are those that see colored auras surounding the human body and some can see the etheric body. Ether. It resembles blue cigarette smoke that containes an energy field. When people get excited the etheric grows larger and brighter. When people fall in love the etheric of each person will reach toward the other to connect when standing near. Large groups of people in prayer also create this effect. Thus the isness is created. This energy field has not yet been properly harnessed. A great deal could be accomplished if this were done.

 

[Janus]

Physically, the classical ether has been disproven. See
http://galileoandeinstein.physics.virginia.edu/lectures/michelson.html

I don't think you absolutely need to get all the math to get the drift.

Like I've said before, though, by this I'm not saying anything about a spiritual conception. But, AFAIK, the physical interpretation is completely dead.

 

[Guest]

Is There An Ether?
The ether theory assumes that the space is filled with some material so that the "speed of sound" of this material is the speed of light. The main philosophical problem related with the ether was that there was no detectable influence of the material on the ether.

In principle, the world view connected with PG is similar to that picture. The space is filled with the gravitational field, and all other material fields interact with this gravitational field. Interpreting the gravitational field as the mathematical description of the ether, we see that the Einstein equations solve the problem of the influence of the material fields on the ether.

This comparison is on some very abstract level. We have not interpreted the components of the metrical tensor as related with some mechanical properties of the ether. It is not necessary to so this.

But, this does not mean that this is not possible. Moreover, there is a simple analogy between obvious mechanical properties and the components of the gravitational field:

The deformation of an elastic body is usually described by the deformation tensor. This tensor is simply the difference between two metrical tensor fields - the metric of the "deformed" state and the metric of the "stress-free reference" state. Instead of using the deformation tensor, we may also use the metrical tensor of the stress-free reference state alone. We have 6 steps of freedom with the same tensor properties as the 6 spatial components of the gravitational field.
We have a scalar "velocity of sound" - a material property. This gives an additional step of freedom.
The related "sound cone" may be shifted by the velocity of the elastic body. This gives 3 additional steps of freedom.
Thus, the number of steps of freedom of the gravitational field and of a deformed, moving elastic body with variable speed of sound coinside.

The Velocity of the Ether
Naming the gravitational field "ether", we can in PG uniquely define the velocity of the ether. At first, we define that the ether is "at rest" if the components g^{0i} are zero. It doesn't change anything if we use the lower indices g_{0i} instead of the upper.

Then we can consider Galilei transformations of the form

x' = x + v t
and ask about the vector v which transforms the ether into the state "at rest". This velocity exists and is uniquely defined by
v^i = g^{0i} / g^{00}
Einstein About the Ether
In "Ether and Relativity", 1920, Sidelights on Relativity, page 23, Einstein writes:

Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of relativity space without an ether is unthinkable; for in such a space there not only would be no propogation of light, but also no possibility of existance for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense. But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it.
False. The ether may be thought of as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may be applied to it.

To show this, let's consider PG. Because, if this variant is true, GR is also true, things which are correct in PG may be at least thought in GR too.

In PG it is possible to associate a velocity to the ether.

A corrected statement would be: GR does not tell anything about the velocity of this ether. The velocity of this ether is not an observable in GR.

 

[Janus]

Interesting. Non-classical ethers.

But is this not just like renaming gravitational fields 'ether'? Are there fundamental differences which can be proven?

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[pamela]

well he said "..interpreting the gravitational feild as the mathematical description of the ether."
and "...naming the gravitational feild "ether".."
but what does PG and GR mean?
physical gravity and general realitivity??
sorry,Im not familiar with some of these abbreviations.
Aigam, this is very interesting please post some more.
Time 02112 can you post some more relating to your above post?

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[Time02112]

I have provided the link already, unless of course you wanted my "personal comment"

here it goes, for what it's worth...

As in my earlier comment about "ISNESS", I was trying to elaborate somthing that I have always suspected, and that is since everything consists of energy, perhaps we need not to look so much outside ourselves to find the answers.

An example of that would be when you examine the 'vibrations' within crystals. That is exactly what crystals are used for in electronics. A stable time source. A certian voltage is run through them, and a stable frequency comes out the other side. Now, you can also induce this vibration. One of the more interesting experiments I have personally done with this kind of thing is sonoluminescence. Basically, this is the practice of creating light with sound waves. Odd, because light is of the electromagnetic spectrum (same as radio waves) and sound is a mechanical wave. The studies I have done on this show that it is possible that crystals COULD be used as a light source (through sonoluminescence) and therefore, an energy source. Light in itself, is a form of energy.

Another example is Schrodingers Cat Theory: (used to illustrate the Indeterminacy Principle)
A cat is placed inside a box with a sealed container of fast acting poison. the only thing keeping this vial of poison from opening is one radioactive atom. The half-life of this atom is 15 minutes. If the particle were to decay, the poison would be released, and the cat would instantly die. If the particle does not decay, the vial stays closed, and the cat lives. You have no external way of monitoring the cats vital signs or condition. It has been 15 minutes since you placed the cat in the box. Is it alive or dead?
See, it is both alive and dead. Since you have no way of viewing the cat, it is both. The particle has decayed and it hasn't (If you need clarification on why it may not have or why half of the atom didn't decay, brush up on your chemistry, or lookup half life on the internet). A parallel example is the Double Slit Experiment. This brings us into another entire realm of Quantum Physics. The Indeterminacy Principle is used to explain why you can only know one state of a particle, and why on a chart:

ABCDEFGHIJKL

A quntum particle can go from point A to point J without passing through points BCDEFGH or I. & so forth.

Objectionaly, perhaps a more detailed examination to look inwards at the finite universe within the most minute of particles, is where we should begin.

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[Janus]

As far as I can figure PG is Post-relativistic Gravity, a theory mostly agreeing with GR, or General Relativity.